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How To Invest With NO MONEY Down: Turn $0 Into Infinite Returns -Robert Kiyosaki (Millennial Money)

– Hello, millennials and all generations. This is Millennial Money,
featuring Robert Kiyosaki. I'm your host, Alexandra Gonzalez. You know Robert as the best selling author of the number one personal
finance book of all time, "Rich Dad, Poor Dad." But I'm happy to announce
that Robert just released his brand new book, "Fake: Fake Money, Fake
Teachers, Fake Assets." You can get your copy
by following the link in the description below.

This topic was highly
requested by you guys. So, due to popular demand,
in today's Millennial Money, we'll be covering how to invest with OPM or other people's money. Here's how Robert explains OPM. – It was a long time ago
– Yeah. – when I first started Millennial Money, and I made my usual wise-ass remark, "Only lazy people use their own money." And that's because I have spent much of my life raising capital.

You know, today you have
crowdfunding and all that stuff, but the reason I had to
learn to raise money was because I had no money. And so, if you read "Rich Dad, Poor Dad," in there my rich dad always said, "Never say I can't afford it." And it was my rich dad and many of my teachers
subsequent to that, that said, "Lazy people
always say I can't afford it. "I don't have the money. "That's why they're poor." They have a poor mindset. So, instead of figuring
out how to raise money, it's just really easy to be a loser, and I call them losers. It pisses them off because
we all have the power, if we wanted to, to not be poor if we learned how to raise money. So, I hear, you know, and
the reason I get upset, I still get hot like this. (Alexandra laughs) My poor dad, my PhD Father, he always said to me, he says, "You know, I'd be a rich man
if I didn't have you kids." And I said, "Well, you know, dad, "it's not my fault you had kids." You know, I mean, "You know, I just can't afford
it because I have kids." And the more he said
that, the angrier I got.

So my rich dad, at age nine, he says, "Well, that's
why your old man's poor, "because he's lazy. "He thinks his PhD is gonna carry him." He says everybody can
say, "I don't have money. "I can't afford it." He says, "That's why he's poor. "He's lazy." But my father kept going
back to school, you know, Stanford University,
Chicago, Northwestern; he never learned any of this stuff. They still don't know it. Because most teachers want a
pay check, pension, and tenure. They want job security.

So the mindset is different. And that's what they teach the kids. – Next, Robert tells us
the number one phrase that keeps people poor. Now pause, I want you
to leave a comment below if you know what it is. Don't cheat. – So the reason I say only
lazy people use their own money is because it takes much more
intelligence to raise capital. And so I've never been able,
ever since my rich dad, since a little boy, my
rich dad forbade me from ever saying I can't afford it.

He says figure out how you can afford it. "How can you do something?" Figure out how you can do something. So, over my lifetime, most
of the projects I've started, I've never had any money. I like not having money, because it forces me to
think; I get creative. I have to educate myself, I
have to talk to rich guys. "How'd you do this? "How'd you do that? "How you do that?" And what has happened to me, and I just turned 72, I've never needed money. Because if I need money, I
figure out how to raise it. So today you guys have
crowdfunding and all that. I mean, I don't know what that stuff is.

But it's easy to say, "I can't afford it." All the poor people say,
"I can't afford it." All the poor people say,
"Well, let's tax the rich." All the poor people are saying, "Well, give me a free education,
free food, free schooling, "free manicures, free pedicures." There's laziness, my opinion. – One of my favorite
things that Robert teaches is how your mindset can
literally change everything. If you have an open mindset, you can really change your life. So Robert explains how his
mindset changed how he invests.

– So, you know, over my lifetime, I've raised hundreds
of millions of dollars. And it's because I didn't
have money as a young person that I learned how to raise capital. And it's really quite simple. You have to find an asset that's worth more than me, you know. If they can't invest in me,
because that's called slavery, you know, by me, you know? So what I do is, when I started off, I write about it in "Fake," I started off looking for this one little piece of real estate. I found an excuse, you know, this one bedroom, one bath
condominium on the beach in Maui. And I found an excuse for
people to give me the money. All I had to do is assure
them I'd pay them back.

So my first deal was an
infinite return deal. I had no money in the deal
because it was 100% debt. It was an $18,000 condo. You can't touch them
for that much any more, but the economy was bad. So I buy this $18,000 condo;
the guy wanted 10% down, you know? You don't need higher math. 10% of 18,000 is how much, sports fans? 1800 dollars. I could've use my money, I had the money. But that would be too easy. – Robert tells us lazy
people use their own money. Let's find out exactly
what he means by this. – Only lazy people use their own money and that's what really pissed
off a lot of people out there. Go, "You calling me lazy?" I said, "Yes, I am." Because you're the same
type of person will say, "I can't afford it.

"I can't do that." That's the problem. It's up here; it's a real
estate between this ear and that ear. "I can't do that." Most of my family say, "Oh,
yeah, I can't afford it." My father taught to say that;
my mother taught to say that. My rich dad said I should never say that. Let me ask you this question. You know, you work for
the Rich Dad company.

How much of my money is in this company? – Zero. – Zero. Zero. – When using OPM, one
question I had for Robert was what happens if the deal goes wrong? He answers by telling the story of one of his biggest mistakes. – So, the biggest mistake. So, I was doing very well here. This was 1973, I started
buying my first deal. And that was an $18,000 deal. $1800 down, $25 a month. Cash flow.
– Cash flow. – I was infinite. And then I kept doing that,
I had a lot of property. And then I decided I go here. So my first business was a nylon and Velcro surfer wallet business. And it didn't sell. So you know, everybody knows
what those wallets are today. But back then this is 1974 or five. Yeah, '75. They didn't know what the wallets were.

So we're going broke really fast. We bought 100,000 of
these wallets from Korea. We ship it to our
warehouse in Long Island, and we're borrowing
money from our investors. So we raised about $600,000; I got this little goofy
wallet business up. So we're in serious trouble. I owed my father about $200,000, my rich dad was laughing at me. We're going broke so quickly. Because we couldn't move the
wallets, a 100,000 of them. They were sitting on
this (murmurs) warehouse on Long Island. And nobody would buy them from us. So then the good thing about
stupidity, there it is, makes you smarter.

So I started thinking;
we started thinking. Said what's wrong? And I said, what was happening
in the world at that time, all the baby boomers are fat,
so they had to start running. So jogging was coming online, you know, and nobody jogged before. You know, so these guys are all jogging. And then we're reading the paper; we're sitting in Honolulu,
going broke fast. And we read the paper, this jogger went to Golden Gate Park in San Francisco and was jogging around the park. And what the jogger did was he had no place to put his car key. So what did they do? He puts it on the front tire of his car and goes for a jog around the parks; we're reading this newspaper. And voila, when he comes back to his car, the car wasn't there! – Oh, gosh. – So the guy says, "They stole my car!" – Oh, my goodness. – And so the question was, on the headline of the newspaper article, "What does a jogger do with their key?" And so we sat there, said,
"Oh, my God, a problem.

"A problem." So with that, I designed the shoe pocket and you can see this picture right here. It's Playboy magazine. I mean, she's nice looking
young model with nothing on but a shoe pocket. (Alexandra laughs) But anyway. So we're going broke so fast by then. But when that picture hit Playboy, suddenly, we were geniuses. And everybody started
throwing their money at us. And all this product,
our wallets were selling; our shoe pockets were selling. Investors were happy.

And the sales went through the roof. So we were extremely successful. So we went from risk,
stupid, smarter, successful. But the problem was how do
we finance our inventory? Because the demand was worldwide, and we couldn't keep up with demand. So I borrowed another $100,000. And I went to my CPA, my CFO, Stanley. So I said, "Stanley, will this $100,000 "solve our inventory problem?" He goes, "Yes, it will." So I gave Stanley the check. And he ran off with it. – Oh, my goodness. – I had no signed documentation; I turned it over to him.

He said I owed him the money. So that was one of my first, you know, six figure, seven figure mistakes. – This is another question all of you flooded our
comments with on YouTube, and all of Robert's social media. It's: what advice do
you have for millennials just starting out? Watch what Robert says. – Well, number one is investing; invest in what you love. I love business. I love real estate. I mean, I really love it;
I own this building here. And I love gold and silver. So I invest in what I love. Most people say, you
know, do what you love, but I'd rather invest in what I love. But I love being an
entrepreneur, I love investing. It's like Shark Tank to me. I'm always looking at new
businesses, new deals. It's just a game like this. You know, when you look at
the financial statement, that's like your scorecard.

It's like your golf scorecard
is your financial statement. But as you know, our schools teach us nothing about financial statements. – Finally, we wrap up
our discussion about OPM with Robert's final words for those of you that use the phrase, "I can't afford it" as an excuse not to invest. – But it goes back to
the original question: Why did I say only lazy
people use their own money? Because lazy people always
say, "I can't afford it." You know, "I can't do it." It's easy to say that. And that's why they're poor. It's harder to go raise a million dollars than to say, "I can't afford it." – All right, guys, that's it for today. But before you go, I
wanted to let you know of the new show we're
launching, Weird Money. And this is gonna be our host, Derek. – Howdy, guys, I'm Derek. I'm gonna be hosting Weird Money on the Rich Dad YouTube channel, and I look forward to
talking to all of you about the most bizarre and
out of this world parts of our financial institutions, the economy, jobs, all that sort of stuff.

And thank you, Alex, for introducing me. – Thanks, I'm really
looking forward to it. And well, guys, don't forget to subscribe and hit the notification
bell if you wanna be notified on this new show. Bye, guys, see you later. (upbeat music).

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HOW TO CONVERT A LIABILITY INTO AN ASSET – ROBERT KIYOSAKI, Rich Dad Poor Dad

(upbeat tempo) – So welcome back its Robert Kiyosaki with my dear friends' daughter here Alexa. And we're talking about
Millenials and money, and we gone through some lessons. I don't know how many more, but let's continue on
with another lesson here. And so we were talking about you know assets and liabilities, right? – Yes. And when you read Rich Dad Poor Dad I said your house is not an
asset what did you think? – Well, I think that's a conception that many people believe, but as you demonstrated the last seminar that we went to in Argentina.

My mom had her properties and she converted them into assets. Correct. – I think it just depends
on what you do with it and it would be great if you could show us how to turn your house into an asset. It's very its really fundamentals. If I could go back I
probably covered it earlier, (marker rattling) but it's a crucial
question and this is what financial education and
financial literacy really is. Again it starts with the financial
statement and I would say probably 95 percent of all
college graduates don't know what a financial statement is. You took an accounting course right? – Yeah, I did. I know you go through parts of this, but I say to young people like
you there's six basic words to financial literacy
and financial education.

And the six words again are income, expense, asset, liability. See I don't really care
about my FICO score a fico score just basically registers are you trustworthy with borrowing money, but a bank will never sel. I borrow in the hundreds
of millions of dollars. (chuckling) A fico score not gonna get me there okay. It's so it's kind of a
ruse I mean I don't its, it's important but not for me. So these are the four
words income, expense, asset, liability. Then the last two words
are the words cash flow. And that's, why the
game is called cash flow (marker squeaking) and the secret to being rich
is not a college education, but can you control cash flow. And this is what cash flow in looks like. So this here you need this income, expense, asset, liability.

(marker squeaking) Again this is you get a job
and this is my poor dad, go to school, get a job, get your PHD. And so this here is cash
flow so income comes in and it goes out this way. First line of expense is tax, but this is a poor
persons cash flow pattern. It's not how much money
you make most people you know they. I don't care if you what you have a Ph.D. or no school at all. They can't control the cash flowing out through their expenses so that's, why people like Susie or men say cut up your credit cards,
live below your means cause you're a spend-a-holic.

So that's a poor person. This is a middle-class
persons cash flow patterns and this is where the house comes in. They, first thing you know most kids do when they get pay raise and all that they buy themselves a bigger house, now my house is an asset. Who tells you that? Your real estate agent of course! – Yeah. (Alexandra giggling) Right cause they they want to give you this false sense of security
while you're getting screwed.

– Exactly. Ya know but when you look at
what happens with the house a personal. I mean a personal residence that I live in the money comes in it goes
out and this is middle class, but also goes out through a mortgage. Mortgage payments, oh but
I don't have a mortgage. You still have taxes you still you know. Hawaii just raised the
property taxes on me. Which is probably why I'm gonna sell. I'm gonna get out of Hawaii, but you have taxes and you have upkeep so monies always flowing out. So that's why your house is
not an asset it's because its taking money from your pocket. So very simply said assets
put money in my pocket, liabilities take money from my pocket. And then this here is, so I'm not saying don't buy a house but here is a house that. And I started when I was
25 bought my first house it was an apartment with
an investment property. I didn't live in it, I rented it out and it put money in my pocket.

So very simple the definition
of asset and liability is not the house or this, its cash flow. Where is the cash flowing? So as a young person (Robert coughing) and to all millennials or if you're old financial intelligence is the
ability to control cash flow. And that's what they
don't teach you at school. They tell you to go to school, get a job. First thing is tax you know, you'll pay most of your money
will go out through taxes, in your lifetime. Then they tell you to buy a house, a car.

Cars an asset, no cars a liability. You got insurance, gas,
upkeep, and all this. Now if you buy a, a taxi
car it could be an asset, its cash flow. And that's very simply it, so this is a poor person. Money goes out there's a lot we, we just interviewed some
national football league players who make millions of dollars in their 20s. And most of them are broke in two years because they can't control cash flow.

Intelligence IQ is can
you control cash flow not your college degree. College degrees are important, but they're not gonna teach you this. So the cash flow game, trains you over and over and over again to get your money in here to
get the cash flow this way. So I started with this,
cost me 18,000 dollars. I paid for the credit card and
I put 25 dollars in my pocket okay. It's an infinite return
because the cash flow paid for the mortgage, it paid the
expenses, pays the operating costs and I still made 25 dollars. Kim's first year was the same, hers wasn't 18,000 it was 50,000, 45,000 and it
put 25 dollars in her pocket, but Kim now owns 6,500 rental properties.

And she pays no tax because
the income comes from here. – Mm-hmm If you have a job you pay tax, but income the rich get richer because when you have asset income taxes are less. You can get it down to zero if you want. But that's financial intelligence, but can you control cash flow. Okay, so say that again. Assets what? – Assets put money into your pocket, liabilities take money out of your pocket. And so as a young person
you just focus on that so when you buying a new house, you're gonna say is this
gonna take money or put money? You buy an apartment house
is it gonna take money or put money that's it, its cash flow. Six most important words for
financial intelligence and IQ is income, expense, asset, liability, but its really cash flow. Now if I could bring up a
more horrible subject is, do you think people can
be assets or liabilities? – I think they could
be both, to be honest.

So for most young people
they fall in love, they get married, they have kids. Is a child an asset or liability? – A child is definitely a liability. I'm not saying don't have kids, but you gotta think the kid is expensive and they don't get cheaper. They get more expensive every year, you know then they go to college and then it gets even more expensive. So a human being now this
sounds horrible to all those socialists and communists out there, but the fact is kids cost money. But as an old guy, I want
you to think about this as I get older as people get older family members become liabilities. So I have a friend whose
mother thank god she had long term I don't know what they call it, but they just canceled it on her. She can go to a old age home and I think the price is 18,000 a month. Most so that as a young person
as your parents get older the question is can I afford
to spend 20,000 dollars a month on my mom or my dads' long
term healthcare, yes or no? – No, not right now.

No so. – No. And this is gonna happen to my generation many people don't realize, but there brothers or
sisters or sisters kids and all this become liabilities to them. So as a person whose fairly well off, I'm and Kim and my
friends are thinking about two legged liabilities. So I know today that if
my sisters become ill I'm the one with the money
and it's my responsibility to pay for them. Same as my brothers and their kids. So these are things that people
don't think about a lot of times is what happens
not only as they grow up, but what happens as they age. Statistics show the average
person in my generation lets say have a million dollars.

80 percent of that million dollars will be gone the last two years of life. Because medical expenses go
through the roof and today insurance companies are canceling. I forgot the name of it, but my friends' mother
it was just canceled. So he doesn't have 18,000 a month so he had to bring his
mother into his house and you know create
another room and all this. Well, I love her which he
does but shes a big liability and all he had was savings. So the savings are being depleted
going out this way, okay? So with your question
about houses and people, but people are also
assets and liabilities. For most people with our favorite subject, a 401K is it asset or liability? – From what I've learned from you its definitely a liability. Or an IRA or a pension cause
it's always going out this way. There's no guarantee it'll be there.

So this is the basic of
financial intelligence, financial literacy stuff like this. Another thing about people
is you have a bad advisor, like a bad financial planner, or a crook, or a business partner that's a crook, a wife that's a crook and all of that. They can be human liabilities. I have two friends right
now who just joined a million-dollar club. They married beautiful women, got divorced and the women is now costing
a million dollars a year in alimony. So their beautiful wife and the
child support it's a million dollars going and she's only 40 years old. So she has a whole pile of boyfriends, but it's costing him a
million dollars a year for her boyfriends. I said I wanna be her boyfriend.

(both laughing) not really you know. That make sense to you? – Yeah, it makes sense. Financial IQ is can you control cash flow. IQ means how big a problem can you solve so if like my friend whose
mother is now costing him 18,000 dollars a month. Well, thank
God he has about 100,000 in savings but in one year its gone. – Yeah. That's not high IQ, but for myself 18,000 dollars a month I ain't gonna make that much
cash flow pretty easily.

– yeah. okay. So when you're like in your 20s per, well how am I going to make. Let's say by the time
probably a 100,000 a month to take care of my parents, because like it or not its cash flow and they become liabilities. And the problem is getting worse
or because the bond markets are not providing income. So many insurance companies
have to renege on their promises to provide the cash flow to
take care of our loved ones the same as medical. – Wow. And so that's why when people
say I'm gonna go out on my own and do all these things they're
kinda doing what they love. Which is good, but they've
really gotta think about how many liabilities do they have. It's not just your rent you know, it's your family and so for me (marker tapping) and for Kim. We have family members, but they're liabilities so
that's why we stay over here. Hopefully, nothing will go wrong, but if one of my sisters got ill and she needs 100,000 a month
at least can provide it.

– Yeah. otherwise she they go they go indigent whatever they call it kay. – Yeah. Any other comments or questions? – No thank you for sharing so much about this content and all this information. That's gonna be super
valuable for all my friends and all the Millenials
out there just like me. So I have two friends that
are in the million-dollar a year club, it doesn't mean
they're making a million dollars it's their wives
are taking a million dollars a year out of their pockets
and their kids and all this. And I go you should of thought
about that 20 years ago. – Yeah. But you don't cause your in
love and you're gonna have kids and gonna make it together. – mm-hmm. But your parents offer great role models. So once again the six
words you have to know and be masters at income, expense, asset, liability, cash flow. You can control cash flow
that's financial intelligence, financial IQ and financial literacy, okay? – Okay. Thank you..

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Is gold a good investment in 2023? – Robert Kiyosaki, Jim Clark, Charles Goyette

(upbeat music) – [Narrator] This is "The
Rich Dad Radio Show." The good news and bad news about money. Here's Robert Kiyosaki. – Hello, hello, hello, Robert Kiyosaki, "The Rich Dad Radio Show." The good news and bad
news about this here. This is cash, and this trash. So today we're going to be
talking about the hottest subject on the market today, and it's not real estate, what it is here is this is gold, and this is silver, and of course there's Bitcoin. So those are the three things.

And the reason they're the
hottest subjects on the earth right now is because our money is fake. So this is one of my
favorite books here, "Fake." I'll tell you a quick story
before we get into why gold, silver, and Bitcoin is,
that I was at Safeway, and I'm kind of a guru at
the salad counter at Safeway. (Robert laughing)
All the women were coming up to me going, "Hey,
what should we invest in? What should we invest in?" And I just happened to be
having in my pocket here, this is a pre '64 US quarter, and it's given to you by
my friend, Dana Samuelson, he's in Austin, Texas.

He is American Gold
Exchange in Austin, Texas. Dana Samuelson. So he knows I'm a silver nut. So this is a pre '64, and
pre '64 means it's silver. After '64, it became fake money. It became this here. So I held this up here to the ladies, they want the hottest tip,
and I said, "Buy this here." They went, "Oh!" A quarter? I can afford a quarter." I said, "Yeah, but I'll
charge you $3 for it." And you should have seen their brains, the salad was flying all over the place.

(all laughing) (Robert speaking gibberish) I said, "Okay, I'll tell you what, $2." (Robert yelling) They were screaming,
not screaming, but just, "Why would I pay you $2 for a quarter?" And I said, "But this is pre '64." They just could not figure it out. Now, that's the lesson of today, is that people don't know
that our money is fake. And that's why Rich Dad
exists and all this. But the sad thing about it is, is that AARP turned on my article because I wrote a story of
my mother, I used to save real quarters, cause when
I was 17 years old, in '64, I saw the quarter go to copper. It was fake. It was an alloy. So I started collecting
dimes and then quarters and half dollars. I had this big bag of real silver. And my mother says, "What are you doing?" I said, "This is real money." So this is, '64, '65, I
go to school in New York.

'66, I come home, my mother spent it all. (all laughing) And so I wrote the story for
AARP, they turned it down. I said, "The lesson is
poor people are poor cause they don't know fake money." They don't know the
difference between real money and fake money. So this is a very important lesson here. I have some two friends here from years, and like I said, Dana Samuelson
of American Gold Exchange in Austin, Texas. This is a special category of silver. It's called numismatic. And numismatic means
collectible and antique. And the reason I respect
Dana is because he was head of the American Numismatics.

So I don't buy numismatic, I
don't buy collectible coins, I buy real gold, silver. But if I want numismatic,
like an antique Dodge or something, whatever it is,
if I want an antique coin, I see Dana because there's
a lot of fakes out there. A lot of fake coins. So you got to be very careful today. But like I said, this
is the hottest subject. I have two great friends here. So Jim, and this is Charles Goyette here. This is his book here, "Red
and Blue and Broke All Over." (men chuckling) So Jim, how long have you
been in this business of gold? – 50 Years. – 50 Years.
– Yeah. – Our time is coming
on this one, isn't it? – Well, I thought it was
coming in 1973 when I got in the business. And it was just a year
and a half or so after Nixon had removed the gold and we got everyone off the gold standard. – The dollar was backed by this here.

This is real gold. So in '71, this was pulled out too, right? – [Jim] Right. – Because you just print
as much as you like. – Well it was no longer
backed by anything. It was a Federal Reserve
note, which is no more federal than Federal Express. And we were required
to take that as money, whether we liked it or not. – Right. Right. Another thing too, I
was in Vietnam in '70. '71, I was on my way
over, '72 I was there, and '73 I returned and I
bought my first gold coin. It was a South African Krugerrand. And the Vietnamese woman, gold was $35 for years, and then in '71 it floated
to about 50, let's say. And so I thought, "Well,
I'll go talk to her." She was behind enemy lines, I
flew my helicopter in there, tried to negotiate with her. I said, "Look, I'll give you 40 of
these for one of these. And she's going, "Spot." I go, "Let me say it again. 40 of these. for one of these," she goes, "Spot." I said, "What the hell
is she talking about?" Well, she was saying spot that day was 50.

And all of a sudden here, I'm
a college graduate, hopefully, with my other college graduate,
two pilots standing there going, "We don't know
shit about money, do we?" So spot meant that on
that day, it was 50 bucks. And I thought because she
was behind enemy lines, I could get it for 40. No such deal. Gold is gold. Spot is spot. Silver is silver. This is real money. So Mr. Goyette, Charles,
why did you write this? Tell us something about your background, why did you write this book here? – Well, one thing is Jim and I
were in the business together a very long time ago that
he was talking about.

But you just reminded me about spot. I remember seeing the
"National Geographic" special, this is back in the 70s,
and they went to these guys, these kind of third worlders
in the Amazon rainforest, way deep in the jungle, and these people didn't have any clothes, didn't have any electricity, but they were panning for gold there. And the camera crew came up
and tried to buy their gold and they knew what the
London goldfish was that day. (all laughing) They totally knew what the
world price of gold was, spot price of gold,
cause it's international, it's all over the world, and it's a real price
for real money, isn't it? – Yeah, the sad thing about
it is I think Americans are the least to know about money. Because we have the Federal Reserve note. I'll tell you one last
story; I was in Peru, I bought a gold mine in Peru.

There's no rain, there's just baron hills, mountains up in the Andes. And I see these little
holes up there, I go, "What the hell's that?" And my little Inca guide says, "We've been drilling gold
here for thousands of years, asshole." (all laughing) I said, "I'm not the first guy up here?" "No, you're not the first guy up here." "My great, great, great,
great, great, great grandfathers were yanking
the stuff out for years." And Bizarro came to Peru
and killed them all, took their gold. – [Charles] Stole their gold. – And so that's why the
Spanish became the empire at the time. Someone from Spain, England, America, America's gone now.

So that's what we're
here to talk about today. And we're old enough, the
three of us, to understand that this here is real and this here is fake. But most people would rather have this. This is the problem. – Robert, I saw one of those
YouTube videos where the guys on the boardwalk in Santa
Monica, it's kind of like jaywalking, like what's
the name of the moon? But he's walking around
with a chocolate bar and a silver coin, and he says to the people, he said, "Would you rather have
this chocolate bar," or I think it was a silver bar.

– [Jim] A silver bar. It was Mark Dice. – Yeah. And the people go, "Mm, I'll
take that chocolate bar." (all laughing) So they get a $2 chocolate bar, or a- – It was a 10 ounce silver
bar, it was about $300. And they'd rather have the chocolate bar than the silver bar.
– [Charles] They know no better, it's Jaywalking America. – And I'll say this again, it's the most important lesson: poor people don't know the
difference between real money and fake money. And that is what it comes down to. So it was in '71, this used
to be a silver certificate, now it's a Federal Reserve IOU.

It used to be backed by gold up to, no, this was '67, '64, excuse me, it was silver. And then in '71, Nixon
took the gold out of it. Johnson took this out of
the silver certificate. – Yeah, I remember I was
telling you that story the other night. I remember in 1964 where
we're sitting around the TV, Johnson came on and said,
"Silver has become too valuable to be used as money." And just as I'm sitting here, my dad said, "That son of a bitch. They're going to take the silver out and they're going to leave
us this garbage coins." And he didn't really
understand it, but he got it. And from that point on,
he saved silver coins. He had about $8,000 worth by
the time he cashed them in in 1980. – Yeah. And I was in South Carolina
where I have a home, and this guy said that his
father ran the theater, and his father said, "There's
just yanking out all the silver coins." The lesson again, is poor
people don't know the difference between real money and fake money. And that's why in "Rich
Dad, Poor Dad" I said, "The rich don't work for
money because it's fake." So the reason I like to have
Jim here and Charles is because this stuff is getting
harder to find right now.

And I was panicking cause I
deal with a lot of guys who have gold and silver. So I called my friends up,
"We cannot get silver." I went, "What?" This is about what,
seven, eight months ago, we couldn't get silver. So you guys are Republic
Monetary Exchange. – [Jim] Yeah.
– Yeah. On Camelback. And I called these guys,
they said, "We got plenty." – Jim has been very,
very good over the years at making sure that the
inventories are high.

He could see when these
runs are starting and stuff and the premiums are
starting to go up and stuff. And he's always put his clients first. He makes sure, we're going
to commit a lot of capital to make sure that our
clients can come in the door and get their gold and silver. The worst thing in the world
is these companies that say, "Well, give us your money now and then we're going to deliver
your gold or we'll send you your silver in six months or something." Don't do that! Don't do that. So Jim's just really
created a name for himself in his ability to always
deliver to his clients. – Well I've always stayed ahead
of the curve, that you can anticipate needs after
50 years in the business. – Well, not everybody can,
because I was panicking, Okay, well step back.
You have the spot price.

So let's say today the spot's 20 bucks. There's a premium on top of this coin, or this coin, should I say. What does the spot and the premium mean? – On that particular coin,
it's typically between $4 and $5 an ounce over the spot price. – So spot is the price
all across the world? – Right. And then all of the
products and coins and bars and so forth, they will
be priced accordingly based on the availability, the demand, the cost of refining and
putting them in the coins and shipping and distributor
markup, dealer markup, our markup and all that.

So there's always a premium that you pay to get the finished product. – That's like the tip at
the end of the dinner. (all laughing) – No, it's worse than that. – Yeah! I was watching Fox News
this morning, Fox Business, and they were bitching
about how, she went, where did she go? Oh, she went to the dry cleaners and she charged her, she
put it on a credit card for her dry cleaning; it said, tip 20%. She goes, "Why do I have to
tip you for my dry cleaning?" (all laughing) People are so desperate to
money because this is fake.

It's terrible. – Well, and because they can print it so much that the value
is dropping every day. They print up billions every day. Look at the bills that they
signed of, 1.7 trillion. Where's that money coming from? Well, they've got to print it. Or they've got to create something through a keystroke entry. That means all the rest of
those Federal Reserve notes out there become worth just
that much less everyday. – Yeah, this is trash. So I'll say it again, the
difference between rich people and poor people; rich people
know the difference between this and this. And so the Republic Monetary Exchange, there's a lot of people out there. Dana Samuelson, my friend,
he's my expert in numismatic. And I was impressed because
you guys had inventory. My other friend, Jerry Williams was out. And I said, "What the
hell?" This is a while ago, "What the hell's going
on?" It was running.

So it must mean there's
something going on because people would rather have this than this now, except for
the ladies at Safeway. (Robert laughing) – But they know now.
(all laughing) – It fried their brains. "Why would I give you $2 for that?" And I said, "That's the
riddle of the day, ladies." We're laughing, we had a great time.

But it fried their brains. Said, "What, what, what, what?" And I said, "I have a book here for you, It's called 'Fake.'"
(Robert laughing) And this whole system is fake right now. So we come back, we're going more into how people lie, cheat and steal because anytime there's money,
there's a liar and cheater and stealer around there. I've been saying this for
years, this is God's money. This is fake money. I like Bitcoin. I call it people's money. Now I don't know much about Bitcoin, but I'm just glad I bought it at six. That's all I know right now. So when we come back with
going more how you can know real money from fake money.

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about this stuff is fake and this is real money.

We have friends, dear
friends, this is Jim Clark from Republic Monetary
here in Phoenix, Arizona. And Charles Goyette, here's
his book, "Red, White and Blue and Purple All Over." And we we're going broke. And so you guys have been
in the business for a while. I've been in the business
since '72 when I first bought my first gold coin. I still have that gold coin. – [Jim] Wow.
– It's not stored in America though, it's
stored someplace else.

– [Charles] Where is that? Oh, you don't have to tell. – I'm going to open my
blabber mouth on TV. (all laughing) That's like my attorney
stands in front of this crowd, he says, "Yeah, I have a lot
of gold, I keep it at home." I said, "Why don't you just
tell everybody where to go? Why not just give them your address too." (all laughing) Attorney's aren't the
brightest guys on earth. (all laughing) – Well I have strangers that will ask me, "Now, where should I store this?" I said, "I don't know and I don't care." – [Charles] And don't tell me.
– Well don't tell me.

So the FBI come, "Did you know?" So Jim, tell us about
what you have right here. You have silver and you have gold. – So I have the kilogram of
silver, which is 32.15 ounces, and then I have a 10 ounce gold bar. And of course, when you
see something that big, how do I know that's real? So we have a device, it's a spectrometer, that we can put, that X-rays the bar. And I've got it all set up. So what I'm going to do
is I'm going to point the device at the silver and I'm going to get a reading. Put it on there maybe
four or five seconds. It will read right into the bar. It'll come back. And if you can pick that up, right on the screen it says
AG, which is the chemical sign for silver, 99.99% pure. You know that this bar is absolute. We can do the same thing with- – Is there such a thing as fake silver? (crosstalk) Not too long ago, they caught some. – There were some companies
years ago that were making the silver and gold and it
wasn't coming out exactly pure.

And what happens then is if
we find that, we just throw it in the melting pot and
then bring it up to pure. Cause you don't want to sell
a bar that's 94%, 95% pure. So it's out there, which
is why we spent $20,000 on this piece of equipment that we can find a counterfeit bar. If it's not pure gold, we know right then, and this is paid for
itself many times over. Because so many times
somebody will come in and say, "Well hey, I've got this big block of gold and I want to sell it." Okay, let's have a look at it. You go through it, it's pyrite, or it's copper, or it's zinc. – Jim Recer was telling
us, in the New York Bank, he says they found some fake silver. – The bigger the bar, the
better chance that there is. So I'm going to do the
same thing with this gold. Because that's really the valuable. With a $20,000 piece of
metal, you want to make sure that it's what it's supposed to be.

Same thing. We come up, AU, gold. 99.99% pure. Which is exactly what it's supposed to be. – So this is January, 2023. What would this cost me, if
I walked into your place, Republic Monetary
Exchange on Camelback Road in Phoenix, Arizona, What would that cost me? – Just over $900 for that. – For that?
– Yeah. – My God. And how much is this thing here? – That's going to be
around 2,000, over 2,000, 2,050 or more. – This is 2,000, this
is a gold, what is it? – Eagle.

American Gold Eagle.
– American Gold Eagle. And that's 900? – Right, that's a kilogram of over. This is going to be close to
$20,000 for this gold bar. – What is that now? – 10 ounces of gold. – [Charles] That feels like
real money doesn't in, Robert? – Can I trade you this for this? (all laughing) – Go get 20,000 more of
those and we'll do it. (all laughing) – You're a little light. (all laughing) – Actually, on that subject,
we were talking about this the other night, Robert,
about cash for gold.

I'm one of the few people
who absolutely despise cash for buying gold, and
you'd think just the opposite, that I couldn't wait to get cash. But banks don't want it. Try and deposit $20,000
or $50,000 in cash. They'll turn you away and
say, "Well, we got to do this, that and the other, and
we've got to file this form and we got to do that." Hey, I would rather have a
bank wire than cash anytime. – Jim's story really
illustrates something with- – Wait. He doesn't want cash. And I thought the reason is
because it might be dirty or it's hot money or whatever it is. It's just a pain in the butt. – Well, it's that, but you know what else? I'm thinking down the road, let's say I acquire $1
million or $2 million in cash that the banks don't want to take. When this currency is repudiated,
I'm going to be stuck. Just like the people in Germany were twice in the 20th century that they were hauling wheel borrows full of Deutschmarks for a basket of groceries.

– Fake money and brought Hitler to power. The the Weimar Republic and
the Reichsmark and all this. Every time there's fake
money, tyrants rise up. Because people know something is wrong. – Yep. So here we go in this country. – [Robert] Right. – But Jim's attitude now
about cash really illustrates that the government, the
deep state, has won this war without legislation,
without public debate, they have won the war against cash. They've been at war at cash
because it's anonymous, they don't track you,
they can't follow you when you use cash, and
they've won the war. And so, the only alternative
people have to be off the grid, not to be tracked, not to be surveilled, gold and silver. That's it. That's all. – So once again, this is 1964. 1964, I was 17 years old and I
started looking at that thing like this. It was copper. The Romans did the same thing way back in at the end of their empire. So what were they doing when
they put copper in this thing? It's a law called Gresham's Law.

What does Gresham's Law mean? – Bad money drives good
money out of circulation. – So this money went into hiding. So I had bags of it. They said, "Go caddy, take my dollars, go to the
bank and pull out all the real stuff and hide the real stuff." I didn't know what I was
doing. I was 17 years old. Wasn't the brightest kid on the block. But I just knew this was fake. This was fake now. And then I come back
from school a year later, my mother spent it. That was a powerful lesson. AARP turned it down, they said,
"You're cruel to your mom." And I said, "Okay." Anyway, poor people don't
know real money from fake money. So that's why we have Sara here. So what happened in '71, this became debt. So our company, at Rich Dad,
we encourage people to use debt. This is my other friend here. He's a financial planner who
doesn't recommend the 401k. John McGregor's, this is "The Top 10 Reasons
Why the Rich Go Broke." One of the reasons they go
broke is they have a plan for their money, but they
have no idea what money is.

– Well, and I've talked
to people all the time that are multimillionaires,
they sold their business, they did this, that and the other and came into all this cash
that's sitting in the bank and said, "Well, you think
I should buy some gold with some of this?" I said, "Well, you know what they're
doing with the dollar, you know that they keep printing them, they can't print gold. Now you tell me how much
you can afford to lose of all that money sitting
in the bank, and I would say leave that there and get
the rest of it in gold." It's a bigger risk having paper money.

It's depreciating.
– It's a guaranteed loss. – And eventually, these
are going to be worthless. And we're in the 51st year of
fiat money when Nixon closed the gold window. A currency has never lasted
more than 50 years until now. And we're in year 51. How are we any different than
anywhere else in the world? – That's '71- – To 2023. How are we any different? Look what they've done in Venezuela. They were one of the richest
countries in South America, in actually, the Western hemisphere. Look what they've done to Argentina. Look what they've done in Cuba. Look what they've done in Mexico. Same exact economic principles
that they broke there, we're doing the same things here.

– Somebody asked me once, "Charles, how many paper
currencies have gone broke, have gone worthless over time?" And the answer is all of them.
– [Robert] All of them. And the ones that people still
hold are only on their way. They just haven't arrived at
their final destination yet. – It's like I said, I'm 17
years old in 1964 going, "Something's wrong here." That's Gresham's Law. And I think that's one of the
reasons I'm a rich person, is I know real from fake. And then, so when Nixon
took the dollar off the gold standard in '71, I didn't
really know what that meant. But the first course, I
was in Vietnam in '73, I came back, '74, they made this legal. Remember that? It was illegal.

So I had to smuggle
that, I was in Hong Kong, I had to buy my South African
Krugerrand in Hong Kong. I had to smuggle it into the country. Why was that? – It was in '74?
– Yeah. – Yeah, because it was illegal
to own in bullion form. – Well, in '73 I brought it in. – It was a felony. It was a felony. They could put you in prison
for 10 years and charge you $10,000 fine. They made it a felony for
Americans, free people, to own monetary gold and silver. Or gold anyway. It was a felony. Was it dangerous? Was it going to blow up? Was
it nuclear contamination? Was it going to kill your
neighbors with poison? What was wrong? Well, it was of course,
you know the answer, it's always the same
answer, the government grabs all the gold cause it wants it for itself, so you can't be allowed to have any.

It's exactly what they did. – At that time there were
two very good senators, Steve Sims and Jesse Helms, who introduced the idea of
Americans owning gold because foreigners could own gold
and Americans couldn't. And if there's anything to be
said good about Gerald Ford, it was that he signed the
bill after it passed through both houses to make gold legal to own. Now unfortunately, at the
time, gold was around $200 an ounce, and over the
next year and a half or so, it dropped to 100. So a lot of the curiosity
of owning gold disappeared. But fast forward to the Jimmy Carter days, 1976, gold went to 100. And by the end of
Carter's term it was 850. And silver went from about
$3 an ounce to $50 an ounce in that four year period. – So during Carter's trend, this was 850? What is this today? – 2,050. – So why would you save this trash? (Charles laughing) That's what I'm saying here.

– It's fake. How about that to sum it up? That's fake. – [Jim] It's a trick. – Another thing I want to
say, cause I'm a history buff, it's about the only subject
I did well in school, the reason he doesn't like the 401k is in 1974 when Ford put us
back on, we could own gold, they put us on the 401k. (indistinct) And today, this is the biggest
reason you want to own gold. Because our pensions, as they
keep raising interest rates, our 401ks are going down. But not only this, my book
wrote with the Ed Siedel, is our pensions are broke. So as the firefighters, police
officers, school teachers, their pensions are gone. So the fed's going to have to print. That's my whole summation. – Well, and what's crazy
about it too is that you get your statement online
every month and it says, "Oh my god, look, I have
$500,000 in my pension plan. Boy, that's going to last
me till the year 2050." It's not going to.

The dollar's not going to
be there, first of all, and the pensions are gone too. But gold will be there forever. – This will be here. This is God's money. We used this as money
for about 5,000 years. But God put it here on the
earth, and that's when I was in the Andes with my old Inca friend, I said, "Geez, look at those holes." He says, "Yeah, we've been
digging longer than you have." And I was in Mongolia, same
thing, there's a place called the Checker Board.

They call it the Checker
Board because the Mongolians, this is thousands of years
ago, were digging for gold. Now they didn't have internet,
they didn't have iPhones and all this stuff. Humans intuitively knew to look for gold. That's what blew me away. – Well, and when you think about- – Except for the women at Safeway. They don't know gold from silver. – [Charles] They need a salad bar guru. (Robert laughing) – When you read the stories
about all the Spanish ships that have sunk over the years
coming across the Atlantic, and the explorers go down there, they're not going down there
looking for the currency of the realm of the day and
see if the paper survived; they're going down there
looking for the gold, they're going down there
looking for the silver.

And they find it. And what's amazing is
that if this bar had been in the bottom of the ocean for 500 years, it'll still be in this pristine condition. It doesn't rust. It doesn't erode. It will do the same thing
now 500 years later. And they've brought some
amazing coins that have been in the Spanish ships that
were in pristine condition, that have graded out
un-circulated, like it was the day that it came out of the mint. – What's that joke? Who's the guy in the fed? – [Charles] Ron Paul.
– Ron Paul, he said if a Spanish ship went down with gold, another ship went down with dollars, people would stop diving for dollars.

(all laughing) They still dive for gold. It's kind of a funny thing, but it's sad. But another thing too is I had a pile of extra
silver I bought from you, and I was handing them
on his Christmas gifts. It's $30 let's say. And one woman had four kids. I said, "Give each one of
your children one of them." One silver coin. I said, "It'll there when they
graduate from high school." "No, they'll probably have spend it." I said, "Yeah, they probably will." But that's the problem. I save this. I say in "Rich Dad, Poor
Dad," savers are losers because they save this. If you save this, and if you save this, what is this here? – $30.

– Yeah, well what? – Silver, it's a silver round. Just a generic silver one ounce piece. – It's a buffalo.
– Yeah. I'll call up Jim and
say, "I want buffalos." So he knows what I'm talking about. There's different goofy
kind of coins out there. But I'd rather save this
cause this will be here 10,000 years from now. This won't. You can pass it on from
generation to generation to generation. – I'll be surprised if that
paper dollar is here even 10 years from now. – I doubt it. Yeah. So anyway, we're in very
serious, serious trouble here. And this is the hottest subject going. For years, I've been saying buy silver because everybody can afford silver.

When I offer them this
for $3, they went nuts. They went, "Why would I buy that?" Because they'd rather have this. That's the lesson. Final words there, Mr. Jim. – Well, we sure appreciate
all you do for the freedom movement, Robert. And speaking about gold and
speaking about the fake money that we're passing around, it's a great lesson
for the next generation whether we realize it or not. At our age, and doing all
this for 50 years or more, we've got a great legacy to
pass on to the next generation because they just don't know. And you are a patriot in the
true sense of the word, sir. Thank you for having us. – Thank you. – Robert, let me ditto that
too, because we're in for some really rough sledding in this country. There's some rough patch of road ahead and it didn't have to happen and
now it's going to happen. And as bad as it's going to be
for the people who understand the lessons that you've been
doing in your educational efforts and teaching them about money, the ones that take action
based on those kinds of recommendations and that
learn about this stuff, they will be so much better off.

And the more of them there are
the better off we'll all be because maybe we can have
some kind of commerce still continue when the whole
thing goes topsy-turvy. So thank you, Robert. – How many of the layoffs
are just starting right now? This is January 2023. – 10,000 at a crack by these companies. 10,000 here, 10,000 there. – [Robert] Because
they're working for this. – Yeah, and this is horrible stuff. These are people that are
living paycheck to paycheck like we've never seen before,
and their personal debt has never been so high as it is right now. – It's a disaster. – And there's now called
the working homeless.

They have jobs but they
can't afford to live. – [Charles] Sleeping in their cars. – Yeah. That's because this is fake.
– [Charles] Yep. – Well we have a lot more
information on our website by the way, Robert. – The reason I invited you guys
cause you actually do teach. If you were just promoting your company, you wouldn't be here. So what is a book you have
and what is your website? – Okay, the website is RMEGold.com.

– Dot what? Com? – .com, and then my- – I thought you said .gov, I was going, I didn't know you were a fed. (all laughing) – And my book is "Real
Money for Free People, the American Gold Story." – In fact, people that are in
the Phoenix area can stop by, Jim will sign a copy of the
book and give it to him.

But his book is a really good book. And there's a ton of
information on the website too to bring people up to
speed, to learn the lessons that you teach, like
the lessons about fake. And we have a new post
going up, for example, about your book, about pensions. – [Robert] Oh, thank you.
– Cause it's so important right now, especially now the
Congressional Budget Office just announced that Social
Security's finished at 2033. – Yeah. And the reason I wrote this
book was because in '74, that's why McGregor wrote this book here. That was a 401k. But that's when the pension
started getting looted.

And now our generation,
the Boomer generation's in serious trouble for retirement. Cause I don't think
it's going to be there. – The American people lost
26% in their 401ks in the last year, through October, so it's very grim. – And that doesn't even
take into consideration the depreciating dollar to go with it too. – So, okay, watch's your website again? – RMEGold.com. – RME. And then your book here is, Charles Goyette, Red, Blue. – "Red and Blue and Broke All Over: Restoring America's Free Economy." – You're an optimist, aren't you? – My publisher said, "Write
that book about how to put it back together, I said,
"You know they're not going to do that." And they're not, but it's there anyway.

– They're going to keep
printing this because this gets more valuable. – We're beyond the point of no return. – [Charles] Yeah. – The sad thing about it is,
as the price of gold goes up, everybody else gets poorer. That's what breaks my heart. I love those girls at Safeway
serving me their salad and coleslaw and all this. It just blew their mind, they said, "$2 for this?" But that's what America
has sold the world there.

That this is valuable and this is fake. This is real. This is fake. – I'll give you $2 for
it, Robert, right now. – I know you would, that's
why I'm keeping it tight here. Here's my silver; the Lone
Ranger had the silver bullet, this is my silver bullet
from Dana Samuelson. Bite the bullet. (all laughing) So thank you, gentlemen.
Thanks for being teachers. And they have inventory. When things were really tough
I was scrambling because- – We were never without anything. – I'll tell you why I was panicking, if I waited a few more
days, the price would go up. And then when I ran in
there and then you guys, not you guys, but my other friend couldn't deliver me silver, I went. And I said, "What am I going to do?" So I bought it that day
anyway for future delivery.

So it was a gamble, so
basically a future delivery. – [Charles] Right. Yeah. – [Jim] it sounds like you did all right. – Yeah. Two last things: there's a thing called distribution and accumulation. Price of gold and silver is low, and silver and gold and
oil, I'm accumulating. I've been accumulating since '72. I own more gold than most people. Most of the gurus on TV. I own gold mines, silver mines because I believe in this stuff,
cause this is God's money. This is fake money. Thank you, gentlemen.
– [Jim] Thank you, sir. – [Charles] Thank you Robert.
– Pleasure to be here. – And when we come back, Sara
be back with a final word here.

So thank you, gentlemen. (upbeat music) Welcome back, Robert Kiyosaki,
"The Rich Dad Radio Show." Thanks to Jim Clark, the
Republic Monetary Exchange, RME, and Charles Goyette of
Republic Monetary Exchange. Because this is the hottest
subject of all today. It's silver and gold because this is fake. So Sara, if you have friends and
family who are still hoarding this stuff here, haven't
listened to this program and discuss it with them,
because I'm now called the Salad Bar Guru. (all laughing) I thought it was hysterical,
but it fried their brains.

What's the difference
between this and this? One's fake, one's real. So Sara, what questions do you have? – [Sara] Yeah, well,
just wanted to mention, my brother for my niece,
she's 11, he said, "No more presents. From now on we only want
you to get her silver." So every year, each sibling
gets her some silver coins. And I was like, "Man, he's so smart." Anyway, I just wanted to
point that straight out. But my questions to you
are, can you briefly discuss the different markings? What does that identify on the bars? – Okay, so this has the size of the bar, which is one kilogram. Valcambi is one of the
worldwide known refiners of silver. It has their logo on it. It's been stamped with the serial number and the finest of 3.999 fine silver. The gold, a little different.

It lists the number of ounces and this is four nines fine. Also with the serial number. And as you saw earlier, we
put the spectrometer to it to show that indeed, both of those are pure silver and pure gold. And if there's any doubt with anybody buying silver
and gold, is it real? We can put the spectrometer to it and show that it is exactly
what the purity should be. – [Sara] Awesome. The second question I have
is, Robert had held up his buffalo and you called it
a generic one ounce coin. What's the diff? – So the US Treasury
and various governments around the world, Canada, South Africa, make a coin of the realm,
meaning an American Eagle for the United States. So the treasury makes that coin. The premium is significantly
higher for that than it is for this, but it's
exactly the same properties, same weight, same size and everything. – Wait a sec, so if
this was a Silver Eagle, but this is, I call this a buff, what's the price difference? – It's going to be $6, $7 and ounce more to have the name brand,
but silver's silver.

So it depends if you, "Well,
I only buy a name brand, I won't buy Costco brand of
something, but I will buy the real ones that you hear
on television all the time," even though it's exactly the same thing. So you get more silver for
fewer dollars if you buy it in the buffalos or what we call generic. But recognized as being
a coin of the realm and something that you can be
sure that it's the purity that it's supposed to be. So reputable private,
refineries make the buffalo, the US Treasury makes the
American Silver Eagle. – Why would somebody pay the difference? – Why do they? – No, I mean-
– [Sara] Why do they buy- – Money's is no object
and they don't mind paying $6 an ounce more, and it's
a US Treasury stamped coin.

But you get more when you sell it too. – I bought considerable amounts from Dana in Austin, Texas, and he traded out my Gold
Eagles for regular gold. And I said, "Why?" He goes, "I don't know,"
but he says, "You just made a lot of money." So instead of having 10
ounces of gold, I now had 15 ounces of gold.

But just because one from
Eagles to something else. All I want is the ounce of gold. And as long as it's pure,
I don't really care. But some people do, right? – Yeah. And either one of those,
it's all recognized for them. So it's personal preference at that point. – [Sara] That was a big
question, cause Robert, if you remember back in
October, the team made a big silver buy, and
that was a big question, when we got the price sheet, we were like, "Why would we pay, if it's
the exact same thing," but that makes sense. Just a name brand difference. – This is when we couldn't take delivery, we're buying a lot, so we
bought it from Andy Schectman. It was a lot of silver and gold we bought. – [Sara] The last question is, in the beginning of the
conversation we had talked about why you didn't want to
take cash, and you said it's a hassle.

Is it also true because cash is devaluing so fast,
it's not really a fair trade. I mean, not fair, but
you know, even trade? Do you feel that way at all? – Well, it's cumbersome. And banks typically
don't want to take cash, and ironically, they don't
want to give cash out either. So we've had situations,
people wanted to go withdraw $100,000 in cash
at the bank, they'll say, "Come back in three or four
days and we'll accumulate it for you, but we don't have it here." I say don't even do that. Just
wire the money over to us. It's just boom, boom, boom. Simple, we don't have to worry
about any counterfeit cash, although our machines pick it up anyway. It's a cumbersome thing
to do, but I look at the big picture; some point down the road, this cash is going to be worthless.

And if the banks don't want
to take it in deposits, I don't want to be stuck
with $2 million or $3 million in cash and lose that. I would rather have money in the bank. Not money, but I mean fake
money in the bank that I can buy real silver and gold with
and have that on the shelf rather than cash sitting there
that is devaluing every day. – [Sara] Yep. Good. Great. That was it. – Final word, Mr. Goyette. – Hey, thanks for having
us on again, Robert. – And this is your book here. Got to plug the book. – One of one of several. And it's about "Red and
Blue and Broke All Over" and how the country is broke all over and the exact story you've been
trying to explain to people for a very long time, and now here we are.

– Another thing we do, Sara, is I send out a newsletter every week, my blog basically, that gives a synopsis of
what's going on the past week and maybe what we're seeing down the road. And just keeping clients and prospects informed of
how we see the market. And whether I'm smart or
not, it doesn't matter, I've been at this 50 years,
I've got a lot of experience and I can share a lot of information that I've acquired over the years. And I encourage people to go
to our website RMEGold.com, and you can sign up for the newsletter. There's no charge, we email
it out every Sunday afternoon or Monday morning, whenever we
put the finishing touches on. And I would encourage
people to sign up for that at RMEGold.com – And that's why we
invited Charles and Jim, because they are educators like Rich Dad. I buy, I don't sell this stuff. (Robert chuckling) I do trade occasionally. But anyway, so thank
you very much, gentlemen and thank you all for
listening to "The Rich Dad Radio Show," and remember, this is fake and this is real.

How much is this today? – That's about $5, so
you were really cheap when you were saying $2 or $3. – Oh my god! I was going to get taken. The salad bar ladies
were going to take me. (all laughing)
– [Sara] That's why he said, "I'll give you $3 for it." – They were trying to cheat
me at Safeway. My god. – You're behind the times, Robert. You forgot how quick
this dollar is devaluing. – And they're raising
the price of the coleslaw on top of that.

(all laughing) So thank you, gentlemen. – [Jim] Thank you.
– [Charles] Thank you. (upbeat music).

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(upbeat music) – [Narrator] This is "The
Rich Dad Radio Show." The good news and bad news about money. Here's Robert Kiyosaki. – Hello, hello, hello, Robert Kiyosaki, "The Rich Dad Radio Show." The good news and bad
news about this here. This is cash, and this trash. So today we're going to be
talking about the hottest subject on the market today, and it's not real estate, what it is here is this is gold, and this is silver, and of course there's Bitcoin.

So those are the three things. And the reason they're the
hottest subjects on the earth right now is because our money is fake. So this is one of my
favorite books here, "Fake." I'll tell you a quick story
before we get into why gold, silver, and Bitcoin is,
that I was at Safeway, and I'm kind of a guru at
the salad counter at Safeway.

(Robert laughing)
All the women were coming up to me going, "Hey,
what should we invest in? What should we invest in?" And I just happened to be
having in my pocket here, this is a pre '64 US quarter, and it's given to you by
my friend, Dana Samuelson, he's in Austin, Texas. He is American Gold
Exchange in Austin, Texas. Dana Samuelson. So he knows I'm a silver nut. So this is a pre '64, and
pre '64 means it's silver. After '64, it became fake money. It became this here. So I held this up here to the ladies, they want the hottest tip,
and I said, "Buy this here." They went, "Oh!" A quarter? I can afford a quarter." I said, "Yeah, but I'll
charge you $3 for it." And you should have seen their brains, the salad was flying all over the place. (all laughing) (Robert speaking gibberish) I said, "Okay, I'll tell you what, $2." (Robert yelling) They were screaming,
not screaming, but just, "Why would I pay you $2 for a quarter?" And I said, "But this is pre '64." They just could not figure it out.

Now, that's the lesson of today, is that people don't know
that our money is fake. And that's why Rich Dad
exists and all this. But the sad thing about it is, is that AARP turned on my article because I wrote a story of
my mother, I used to save real quarters, cause when
I was 17 years old, in '64, I saw the quarter go to copper.

It was fake. It was an alloy. So I started collecting
dimes and then quarters and half dollars. I had this big bag of real silver. And my mother says, "What are you doing?" I said, "This is real money." So this is, '64, '65, I
go to school in New York. '66, I come home, my mother spent it all. (all laughing) And so I wrote the story for
AARP, they turned it down. I said, "The lesson is
poor people are poor cause they don't know fake money." They don't know the
difference between real money and fake money. So this is a very important lesson here. I have some two friends here from years, and like I said, Dana Samuelson
of American Gold Exchange in Austin, Texas. This is a special category of silver.

It's called numismatic. And numismatic means
collectible and antique. And the reason I respect
Dana is because he was head of the American Numismatics. So I don't buy numismatic, I
don't buy collectible coins, I buy real gold, silver. But if I want numismatic,
like an antique Dodge or something, whatever it is,
if I want an antique coin, I see Dana because there's
a lot of fakes out there. A lot of fake coins. So you got to be very careful today.

But like I said, this
is the hottest subject. I have two great friends here. So Jim, and this is Charles Goyette here. This is his book here, "Red
and Blue and Broke All Over." (men chuckling) So Jim, how long have you
been in this business of gold? – 50 Years. – 50 Years.
– Yeah. – Our time is coming
on this one, isn't it? – Well, I thought it was
coming in 1973 when I got in the business. And it was just a year
and a half or so after Nixon had removed the gold and we got everyone off the gold standard. – The dollar was backed by this here. This is real gold. So in '71, this was pulled out too, right? – [Jim] Right. – Because you just print
as much as you like. – Well it was no longer
backed by anything. It was a Federal Reserve
note, which is no more federal than Federal Express. And we were required
to take that as money, whether we liked it or not. – Right. Right. Another thing too, I
was in Vietnam in '70. '71, I was on my way
over, '72 I was there, and '73 I returned and I
bought my first gold coin.

It was a South African Krugerrand. And the Vietnamese woman, gold was $35 for years, and then in '71 it floated
to about 50, let's say. And so I thought, "Well,
I'll go talk to her." She was behind enemy lines, I
flew my helicopter in there, tried to negotiate with her. I said, "Look, I'll give you 40 of
these for one of these. And she's going, "Spot." I go, "Let me say it again. 40 of these. for one of these," she goes, "Spot." I said, "What the hell
is she talking about?" Well, she was saying spot that day was 50. And all of a sudden here, I'm
a college graduate, hopefully, with my other college graduate,
two pilots standing there going, "We don't know
shit about money, do we?" So spot meant that on
that day, it was 50 bucks.

And I thought because she
was behind enemy lines, I could get it for 40. No such deal. Gold is gold. Spot is spot. Silver is silver. This is real money. So Mr. Goyette, Charles,
why did you write this? Tell us something about your background, why did you write this book here? – Well, one thing is Jim and I
were in the business together a very long time ago that
he was talking about. But you just reminded me about spot. I remember seeing the
"National Geographic" special, this is back in the 70s,
and they went to these guys, these kind of third worlders
in the Amazon rainforest, way deep in the jungle, and these people didn't have any clothes, didn't have any electricity, but they were panning for gold there.

And the camera crew came up
and tried to buy their gold and they knew what the
London goldfish was that day. (all laughing) They totally knew what the
world price of gold was, spot price of gold,
cause it's international, it's all over the world, and it's a real price
for real money, isn't it? – Yeah, the sad thing about
it is I think Americans are the least to know about money. Because we have the Federal Reserve note. I'll tell you one last
story; I was in Peru, I bought a gold mine in Peru. There's no rain, there's just baron hills, mountains up in the Andes. And I see these little
holes up there, I go, "What the hell's that?" And my little Inca guide says, "We've been drilling gold
here for thousands of years, asshole." (all laughing) I said, "I'm not the first guy up here?" "No, you're not the first guy up here." "My great, great, great,
great, great, great grandfathers were yanking
the stuff out for years." And Bizarro came to Peru
and killed them all, took their gold.

– [Charles] Stole their gold. – And so that's why the
Spanish became the empire at the time. Someone from Spain, England, America, America's gone now. So that's what we're
here to talk about today. And we're old enough, the
three of us, to understand that this here is real and this here is fake. But most people would rather have this. This is the problem. – Robert, I saw one of those
YouTube videos where the guys on the boardwalk in Santa
Monica, it's kind of like jaywalking, like what's
the name of the moon? But he's walking around
with a chocolate bar and a silver coin, and he says to the people, he said, "Would you rather have
this chocolate bar," or I think it was a silver bar. – [Jim] A silver bar. It was Mark Dice.

– Yeah. And the people go, "Mm, I'll
take that chocolate bar." (all laughing) So they get a $2 chocolate bar, or a- – It was a 10 ounce silver
bar, it was about $300. And they'd rather have the chocolate bar than the silver bar.
– [Charles] They know no better, it's Jaywalking America. – And I'll say this again, it's the most important lesson: poor people don't know the
difference between real money and fake money.

And that is what it comes down to. So it was in '71, this used
to be a silver certificate, now it's a Federal Reserve IOU. It used to be backed by gold up to, no, this was '67, '64, excuse me, it was silver. And then in '71, Nixon
took the gold out of it. Johnson took this out of
the silver certificate. – Yeah, I remember I was
telling you that story the other night. I remember in 1964 where
we're sitting around the TV, Johnson came on and said,
"Silver has become too valuable to be used as money." And just as I'm sitting here, my dad said, "That son of a bitch.

They're going to take the silver out and they're going to leave
us this garbage coins." And he didn't really
understand it, but he got it. And from that point on,
he saved silver coins. He had about $8,000 worth by
the time he cashed them in in 1980. – Yeah. And I was in South Carolina
where I have a home, and this guy said that his
father ran the theater, and his father said, "There's
just yanking out all the silver coins." The lesson again, is poor
people don't know the difference between real money and fake money. And that's why in "Rich
Dad, Poor Dad" I said, "The rich don't work for
money because it's fake." So the reason I like to have
Jim here and Charles is because this stuff is getting
harder to find right now.

And I was panicking cause I
deal with a lot of guys who have gold and silver. So I called my friends up,
"We cannot get silver." I went, "What?" This is about what,
seven, eight months ago, we couldn't get silver. So you guys are Republic
Monetary Exchange. – [Jim] Yeah.
– Yeah. On Camelback. And I called these guys,
they said, "We got plenty." – Jim has been very,
very good over the years at making sure that the
inventories are high. He could see when these
runs are starting and stuff and the premiums are
starting to go up and stuff. And he's always put his clients first. He makes sure, we're going
to commit a lot of capital to make sure that our
clients can come in the door and get their gold and silver.

The worst thing in the world
is these companies that say, "Well, give us your money now and then we're going to deliver
your gold or we'll send you your silver in six months or something." Don't do that! Don't do that. So Jim's just really
created a name for himself in his ability to always
deliver to his clients. – Well I've always stayed ahead
of the curve, that you can anticipate needs after
50 years in the business. – Well, not everybody can,
because I was panicking, Okay, well step back.
You have the spot price. So let's say today the spot's 20 bucks. There's a premium on top of this coin, or this coin, should I say. What does the spot and the premium mean? – On that particular coin,
it's typically between $4 and $5 an ounce over the spot price. – So spot is the price
all across the world? – Right. And then all of the
products and coins and bars and so forth, they will
be priced accordingly based on the availability, the demand, the cost of refining and
putting them in the coins and shipping and distributor
markup, dealer markup, our markup and all that.

So there's always a premium that you pay to get the finished product. – That's like the tip at
the end of the dinner. (all laughing) – No, it's worse than that. – Yeah! I was watching Fox News
this morning, Fox Business, and they were bitching
about how, she went, where did she go? Oh, she went to the dry cleaners and she charged her, she
put it on a credit card for her dry cleaning; it said, tip 20%.

She goes, "Why do I have to
tip you for my dry cleaning?" (all laughing) People are so desperate to
money because this is fake. It's terrible. – Well, and because they can print it so much that the value
is dropping every day. They print up billions every day. Look at the bills that they
signed of, 1.7 trillion. Where's that money coming from? Well, they've got to print it. Or they've got to create something through a keystroke entry. That means all the rest of
those Federal Reserve notes out there become worth just
that much less everyday.

– Yeah, this is trash. So I'll say it again, the
difference between rich people and poor people; rich people
know the difference between this and this. And so the Republic Monetary Exchange, there's a lot of people out there. Dana Samuelson, my friend,
he's my expert in numismatic. And I was impressed because
you guys had inventory. My other friend, Jerry Williams was out. And I said, "What the
hell?" This is a while ago, "What the hell's going
on?" It was running.

So it must mean there's
something going on because people would rather have this than this now, except for
the ladies at Safeway. (Robert laughing) – But they know now.
(all laughing) – It fried their brains. "Why would I give you $2 for that?" And I said, "That's the
riddle of the day, ladies." We're laughing, we had a great time. But it fried their brains. Said, "What, what, what, what?" And I said, "I have a book here for you, It's called 'Fake.'"
(Robert laughing) And this whole system is fake right now. So we come back, we're going more into how people lie, cheat and steal because anytime there's money,
there's a liar and cheater and stealer around there. I've been saying this for
years, this is God's money. This is fake money.

I like Bitcoin. I call it people's money. Now I don't know much about Bitcoin, but I'm just glad I bought it at six. That's all I know right now. So when we come back with
going more how you can know real money from fake money. Some of the other advantages of right now. I've been saying this for
years, I used to work for Lear, I still have Lear Capital Ads, I said, "Buy silver." And the reason is
everybody can afford this. I think this is about 30 bucks. How much is this today? – Just under $30 for one of those, yeah. – Everybody in the world
can afford 30 bucks. But they'd rather have this.

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And again, we're talking
about this stuff is fake and this is real money. We have friends, dear
friends, this is Jim Clark from Republic Monetary
here in Phoenix, Arizona. And Charles Goyette, here's
his book, "Red, White and Blue and Purple All Over." And we we're going broke. And so you guys have been
in the business for a while. I've been in the business
since '72 when I first bought my first gold coin. I still have that gold coin. – [Jim] Wow.
– It's not stored in America though, it's
stored someplace else. – [Charles] Where is that? Oh, you don't have to tell. – I'm going to open my
blabber mouth on TV. (all laughing) That's like my attorney
stands in front of this crowd, he says, "Yeah, I have a lot
of gold, I keep it at home." I said, "Why don't you just
tell everybody where to go? Why not just give them your address too." (all laughing) Attorney's aren't the
brightest guys on earth.

(all laughing) – Well I have strangers that will ask me, "Now, where should I store this?" I said, "I don't know and I don't care." – [Charles] And don't tell me.
– Well don't tell me. So the FBI come, "Did you know?" So Jim, tell us about
what you have right here. You have silver and you have gold. – So I have the kilogram of
silver, which is 32.15 ounces, and then I have a 10 ounce gold bar. And of course, when you
see something that big, how do I know that's real? So we have a device, it's a spectrometer, that we can put, that X-rays the bar. And I've got it all set up. So what I'm going to do
is I'm going to point the device at the silver and I'm going to get a reading. Put it on there maybe
four or five seconds.

It will read right into the bar. It'll come back. And if you can pick that up, right on the screen it says
AG, which is the chemical sign for silver, 99.99% pure. You know that this bar is absolute. We can do the same thing with- – Is there such a thing as fake silver? (crosstalk) Not too long ago, they caught some. – There were some companies
years ago that were making the silver and gold and it
wasn't coming out exactly pure. And what happens then is if
we find that, we just throw it in the melting pot and
then bring it up to pure. Cause you don't want to sell
a bar that's 94%, 95% pure. So it's out there, which
is why we spent $20,000 on this piece of equipment that we can find a counterfeit bar.

If it's not pure gold, we know right then, and this is paid for
itself many times over. Because so many times
somebody will come in and say, "Well hey, I've got this big block of gold and I want to sell it." Okay, let's have a look at it. You go through it, it's pyrite, or it's copper, or it's zinc. – Jim Recer was telling
us, in the New York Bank, he says they found some fake silver. – The bigger the bar, the
better chance that there is. So I'm going to do the
same thing with this gold. Because that's really the valuable. With a $20,000 piece of
metal, you want to make sure that it's what it's supposed to be. Same thing. We come up, AU, gold. 99.99% pure. Which is exactly what it's supposed to be. – So this is January, 2023. What would this cost me, if
I walked into your place, Republic Monetary
Exchange on Camelback Road in Phoenix, Arizona, What would that cost me? – Just over $900 for that. – For that?
– Yeah.

– My God. And how much is this thing here? – That's going to be
around 2,000, over 2,000, 2,050 or more. – This is 2,000, this
is a gold, what is it? – Eagle. American Gold Eagle.
– American Gold Eagle. And that's 900? – Right, that's a kilogram of over. This is going to be close to
$20,000 for this gold bar. – What is that now? – 10 ounces of gold. – [Charles] That feels like
real money doesn't in, Robert? – Can I trade you this for this? (all laughing) – Go get 20,000 more of
those and we'll do it. (all laughing) – You're a little light. (all laughing) – Actually, on that subject,
we were talking about this the other night, Robert,
about cash for gold. I'm one of the few people
who absolutely despise cash for buying gold, and
you'd think just the opposite, that I couldn't wait to get cash. But banks don't want it. Try and deposit $20,000
or $50,000 in cash.

They'll turn you away and
say, "Well, we got to do this, that and the other, and
we've got to file this form and we got to do that." Hey, I would rather have a
bank wire than cash anytime. – Jim's story really
illustrates something with- – Wait. He doesn't want cash. And I thought the reason is
because it might be dirty or it's hot money or whatever it is. It's just a pain in the butt. – Well, it's that, but you know what else? I'm thinking down the road, let's say I acquire $1
million or $2 million in cash that the banks don't want to take.

When this currency is repudiated,
I'm going to be stuck. Just like the people in Germany were twice in the 20th century that they were hauling wheel borrows full of Deutschmarks for a basket of groceries. – Fake money and brought Hitler to power. The the Weimar Republic and
the Reichsmark and all this. Every time there's fake
money, tyrants rise up. Because people know something is wrong. – Yep.

So here we go in this country. – [Robert] Right. – But Jim's attitude now
about cash really illustrates that the government, the
deep state, has won this war without legislation,
without public debate, they have won the war against cash. They've been at war at cash
because it's anonymous, they don't track you,
they can't follow you when you use cash, and
they've won the war. And so, the only alternative
people have to be off the grid, not to be tracked, not to be surveilled, gold and silver. That's it. That's all. – So once again, this is 1964. 1964, I was 17 years old and I
started looking at that thing like this. It was copper. The Romans did the same thing way back in at the end of their empire. So what were they doing when
they put copper in this thing? It's a law called Gresham's Law. What does Gresham's Law mean? – Bad money drives good
money out of circulation.

– So this money went into hiding. So I had bags of it. They said, "Go caddy, take my dollars, go to the
bank and pull out all the real stuff and hide the real stuff." I didn't know what I was
doing. I was 17 years old. Wasn't the brightest kid on the block. But I just knew this was fake. This was fake now. And then I come back
from school a year later, my mother spent it. That was a powerful lesson. AARP turned it down, they said,
"You're cruel to your mom." And I said, "Okay." Anyway, poor people don't
know real money from fake money.

So that's why we have Sara here. So what happened in '71, this became debt. So our company, at Rich Dad,
we encourage people to use debt. This is my other friend here. He's a financial planner who
doesn't recommend the 401k. John McGregor's, this is "The Top 10 Reasons
Why the Rich Go Broke." One of the reasons they go
broke is they have a plan for their money, but they
have no idea what money is. – Well, and I've talked
to people all the time that are multimillionaires,
they sold their business, they did this, that and the other and came into all this cash
that's sitting in the bank and said, "Well, you think
I should buy some gold with some of this?" I said, "Well, you know what they're
doing with the dollar, you know that they keep printing them, they can't print gold.

Now you tell me how much
you can afford to lose of all that money sitting
in the bank, and I would say leave that there and get
the rest of it in gold." It's a bigger risk having paper money. It's depreciating.
– It's a guaranteed loss. – And eventually, these
are going to be worthless. And we're in the 51st year of
fiat money when Nixon closed the gold window. A currency has never lasted
more than 50 years until now. And we're in year 51. How are we any different than
anywhere else in the world? – That's '71- – To 2023.

How are we any different? Look what they've done in Venezuela. They were one of the richest
countries in South America, in actually, the Western hemisphere. Look what they've done to Argentina. Look what they've done in Cuba. Look what they've done in Mexico. Same exact economic principles
that they broke there, we're doing the same things here. – Somebody asked me once, "Charles, how many paper
currencies have gone broke, have gone worthless over time?" And the answer is all of them.
– [Robert] All of them.

And the ones that people still
hold are only on their way. They just haven't arrived at
their final destination yet. – It's like I said, I'm 17
years old in 1964 going, "Something's wrong here." That's Gresham's Law. And I think that's one of the
reasons I'm a rich person, is I know real from fake. And then, so when Nixon
took the dollar off the gold standard in '71, I didn't
really know what that meant. But the first course, I
was in Vietnam in '73, I came back, '74, they made this legal. Remember that? It was illegal. So I had to smuggle
that, I was in Hong Kong, I had to buy my South African
Krugerrand in Hong Kong. I had to smuggle it into the country. Why was that? – It was in '74?
– Yeah.

– Yeah, because it was illegal
to own in bullion form. – Well, in '73 I brought it in. – It was a felony. It was a felony. They could put you in prison
for 10 years and charge you $10,000 fine. They made it a felony for
Americans, free people, to own monetary gold and silver. Or gold anyway. It was a felony. Was it dangerous? Was it going to blow up? Was
it nuclear contamination? Was it going to kill your
neighbors with poison? What was wrong? Well, it was of course,
you know the answer, it's always the same
answer, the government grabs all the gold cause it wants it for itself, so you can't be allowed to have any. It's exactly what they did.

– At that time there were
two very good senators, Steve Sims and Jesse Helms, who introduced the idea of
Americans owning gold because foreigners could own gold
and Americans couldn't. And if there's anything to be
said good about Gerald Ford, it was that he signed the
bill after it passed through both houses to make gold legal to own.

Now unfortunately, at the
time, gold was around $200 an ounce, and over the
next year and a half or so, it dropped to 100. So a lot of the curiosity
of owning gold disappeared. But fast forward to the Jimmy Carter days, 1976, gold went to 100. And by the end of
Carter's term it was 850. And silver went from about
$3 an ounce to $50 an ounce in that four year period. – So during Carter's trend, this was 850? What is this today? – 2,050.

– So why would you save this trash? (Charles laughing) That's what I'm saying here. – It's fake. How about that to sum it up? That's fake. – [Jim] It's a trick. – Another thing I want to
say, cause I'm a history buff, it's about the only subject
I did well in school, the reason he doesn't like the 401k is in 1974 when Ford put us
back on, we could own gold, they put us on the 401k. (indistinct) And today, this is the biggest
reason you want to own gold. Because our pensions, as they
keep raising interest rates, our 401ks are going down. But not only this, my book
wrote with the Ed Siedel, is our pensions are broke. So as the firefighters, police
officers, school teachers, their pensions are gone. So the fed's going to have to print. That's my whole summation. – Well, and what's crazy
about it too is that you get your statement online
every month and it says, "Oh my god, look, I have
$500,000 in my pension plan. Boy, that's going to last
me till the year 2050." It's not going to.

The dollar's not going to
be there, first of all, and the pensions are gone too. But gold will be there forever. – This will be here. This is God's money. We used this as money
for about 5,000 years. But God put it here on the
earth, and that's when I was in the Andes with my old Inca friend, I said, "Geez, look at those holes." He says, "Yeah, we've been
digging longer than you have." And I was in Mongolia, same
thing, there's a place called the Checker Board. They call it the Checker
Board because the Mongolians, this is thousands of years
ago, were digging for gold. Now they didn't have internet,
they didn't have iPhones and all this stuff. Humans intuitively knew to look for gold. That's what blew me away. – Well, and when you think about- – Except for the women at Safeway. They don't know gold from silver. – [Charles] They need a salad bar guru. (Robert laughing) – When you read the stories
about all the Spanish ships that have sunk over the years
coming across the Atlantic, and the explorers go down there, they're not going down there
looking for the currency of the realm of the day and
see if the paper survived; they're going down there
looking for the gold, they're going down there
looking for the silver.

And they find it. And what's amazing is
that if this bar had been in the bottom of the ocean for 500 years, it'll still be in this pristine condition. It doesn't rust. It doesn't erode. It will do the same thing
now 500 years later. And they've brought some
amazing coins that have been in the Spanish ships that
were in pristine condition, that have graded out
un-circulated, like it was the day that it came out of the mint. – What's that joke? Who's the guy in the fed? – [Charles] Ron Paul.
– Ron Paul, he said if a Spanish ship went down with gold, another ship went down with dollars, people would stop diving for dollars.

(all laughing) They still dive for gold. It's kind of a funny thing, but it's sad. But another thing too is I had a pile of extra
silver I bought from you, and I was handing them
on his Christmas gifts. It's $30 let's say. And one woman had four kids. I said, "Give each one of
your children one of them." One silver coin. I said, "It'll there when they
graduate from high school." "No, they'll probably have spend it." I said, "Yeah, they probably will." But that's the problem. I save this. I say in "Rich Dad, Poor
Dad," savers are losers because they save this. If you save this, and if you save this, what is this here? – $30. – Yeah, well what? – Silver, it's a silver round.

Just a generic silver one ounce piece. – It's a buffalo.
– Yeah. I'll call up Jim and
say, "I want buffalos." So he knows what I'm talking about. There's different goofy
kind of coins out there. But I'd rather save this
cause this will be here 10,000 years from now. This won't. You can pass it on from
generation to generation to generation. – I'll be surprised if that
paper dollar is here even 10 years from now. – I doubt it. Yeah. So anyway, we're in very
serious, serious trouble here. And this is the hottest subject going. For years, I've been saying buy silver because everybody can afford silver. When I offer them this
for $3, they went nuts. They went, "Why would I buy that?" Because they'd rather have this. That's the lesson. Final words there, Mr.

Jim. – Well, we sure appreciate
all you do for the freedom movement, Robert. And speaking about gold and
speaking about the fake money that we're passing around, it's a great lesson
for the next generation whether we realize it or not. At our age, and doing all
this for 50 years or more, we've got a great legacy to
pass on to the next generation because they just don't know.

And you are a patriot in the
true sense of the word, sir. Thank you for having us. – Thank you. – Robert, let me ditto that
too, because we're in for some really rough sledding in this country. There's some rough patch of road ahead and it didn't have to happen and
now it's going to happen. And as bad as it's going to be
for the people who understand the lessons that you've been
doing in your educational efforts and teaching them about money, the ones that take action
based on those kinds of recommendations and that
learn about this stuff, they will be so much better off. And the more of them there are
the better off we'll all be because maybe we can have
some kind of commerce still continue when the whole
thing goes topsy-turvy.

So thank you, Robert. – How many of the layoffs
are just starting right now? This is January 2023. – 10,000 at a crack by these companies. 10,000 here, 10,000 there. – [Robert] Because
they're working for this. – Yeah, and this is horrible stuff. These are people that are
living paycheck to paycheck like we've never seen before,
and their personal debt has never been so high as it is right now. – It's a disaster. – And there's now called
the working homeless. They have jobs but they
can't afford to live. – [Charles] Sleeping in their cars. – Yeah. That's because this is fake.
– [Charles] Yep. – Well we have a lot more
information on our website by the way, Robert. – The reason I invited you guys
cause you actually do teach. If you were just promoting your company, you wouldn't be here. So what is a book you have
and what is your website? – Okay, the website is RMEGold.com. – Dot what? Com? – .com, and then my- – I thought you said .gov, I was going, I didn't know you were a fed. (all laughing) – And my book is "Real
Money for Free People, the American Gold Story." – In fact, people that are in
the Phoenix area can stop by, Jim will sign a copy of the
book and give it to him.

But his book is a really good book. And there's a ton of
information on the website too to bring people up to
speed, to learn the lessons that you teach, like
the lessons about fake. And we have a new post
going up, for example, about your book, about pensions. – [Robert] Oh, thank you.
– Cause it's so important right now, especially now the
Congressional Budget Office just announced that Social
Security's finished at 2033. – Yeah. And the reason I wrote this
book was because in '74, that's why McGregor wrote this book here. That was a 401k. But that's when the pension
started getting looted. And now our generation,
the Boomer generation's in serious trouble for retirement. Cause I don't think
it's going to be there. – The American people lost
26% in their 401ks in the last year, through October, so it's very grim. – And that doesn't even
take into consideration the depreciating dollar to go with it too. – So, okay, watch's your website again? – RMEGold.com. – RME.

And then your book here is, Charles Goyette, Red, Blue. – "Red and Blue and Broke All Over: Restoring America's Free Economy." – You're an optimist, aren't you? – My publisher said, "Write
that book about how to put it back together, I said,
"You know they're not going to do that." And they're not, but it's there anyway. – They're going to keep
printing this because this gets more valuable. – We're beyond the point of no return. – [Charles] Yeah. – The sad thing about it is,
as the price of gold goes up, everybody else gets poorer. That's what breaks my heart. I love those girls at Safeway
serving me their salad and coleslaw and all this. It just blew their mind, they said, "$2 for this?" But that's what America
has sold the world there.

That this is valuable and this is fake. This is real. This is fake. – I'll give you $2 for
it, Robert, right now. – I know you would, that's
why I'm keeping it tight here. Here's my silver; the Lone
Ranger had the silver bullet, this is my silver bullet
from Dana Samuelson. Bite the bullet. (all laughing) So thank you, gentlemen.
Thanks for being teachers. And they have inventory. When things were really tough
I was scrambling because- – We were never without anything. – I'll tell you why I was panicking, if I waited a few more
days, the price would go up. And then when I ran in
there and then you guys, not you guys, but my other friend couldn't deliver me silver, I went.

And I said, "What am I going to do?" So I bought it that day
anyway for future delivery. So it was a gamble, so
basically a future delivery. – [Charles] Right. Yeah. – [Jim] it sounds like you did all right. – Yeah. Two last things: there's a thing called distribution and accumulation. Price of gold and silver is low, and silver and gold and
oil, I'm accumulating. I've been accumulating since '72. I own more gold than most people. Most of the gurus on TV. I own gold mines, silver mines because I believe in this stuff,
cause this is God's money. This is fake money. Thank you, gentlemen.
– [Jim] Thank you, sir. – [Charles] Thank you Robert.
– Pleasure to be here. – And when we come back, Sara
be back with a final word here.

So thank you, gentlemen. (upbeat music) Welcome back, Robert Kiyosaki,
"The Rich Dad Radio Show." Thanks to Jim Clark, the
Republic Monetary Exchange, RME, and Charles Goyette of
Republic Monetary Exchange. Because this is the hottest
subject of all today. It's silver and gold because this is fake. So Sara, if you have friends and
family who are still hoarding this stuff here, haven't
listened to this program and discuss it with them,
because I'm now called the Salad Bar Guru. (all laughing) I thought it was hysterical,
but it fried their brains. What's the difference
between this and this? One's fake, one's real. So Sara, what questions do you have? – [Sara] Yeah, well,
just wanted to mention, my brother for my niece,
she's 11, he said, "No more presents.

From now on we only want
you to get her silver." So every year, each sibling
gets her some silver coins. And I was like, "Man, he's so smart." Anyway, I just wanted to
point that straight out. But my questions to you
are, can you briefly discuss the different markings? What does that identify on the bars? – Okay, so this has the size of the bar, which is one kilogram.

Valcambi is one of the
worldwide known refiners of silver. It has their logo on it. It's been stamped with the serial number and the finest of 3.999 fine silver. The gold, a little different. It lists the number of ounces and this is four nines fine. Also with the serial number. And as you saw earlier, we
put the spectrometer to it to show that indeed, both of those are pure silver and pure gold. And if there's any doubt with anybody buying silver
and gold, is it real? We can put the spectrometer to it and show that it is exactly
what the purity should be.

– [Sara] Awesome. The second question I have
is, Robert had held up his buffalo and you called it
a generic one ounce coin. What's the diff? – So the US Treasury
and various governments around the world, Canada, South Africa, make a coin of the realm,
meaning an American Eagle for the United States. So the treasury makes that coin. The premium is significantly
higher for that than it is for this, but it's
exactly the same properties, same weight, same size and everything. – Wait a sec, so if
this was a Silver Eagle, but this is, I call this a buff, what's the price difference? – It's going to be $6, $7 and ounce more to have the name brand,
but silver's silver. So it depends if you, "Well,
I only buy a name brand, I won't buy Costco brand of
something, but I will buy the real ones that you hear
on television all the time," even though it's exactly the same thing.

So you get more silver for
fewer dollars if you buy it in the buffalos or what we call generic. But recognized as being
a coin of the realm and something that you can be
sure that it's the purity that it's supposed to be. So reputable private,
refineries make the buffalo, the US Treasury makes the
American Silver Eagle. – Why would somebody pay the difference? – Why do they? – No, I mean-
– [Sara] Why do they buy- – Money's is no object
and they don't mind paying $6 an ounce more, and it's
a US Treasury stamped coin. But you get more when you sell it too. – I bought considerable amounts from Dana in Austin, Texas, and he traded out my Gold
Eagles for regular gold. And I said, "Why?" He goes, "I don't know,"
but he says, "You just made a lot of money." So instead of having 10
ounces of gold, I now had 15 ounces of gold.

But just because one from
Eagles to something else. All I want is the ounce of gold. And as long as it's pure,
I don't really care. But some people do, right? – Yeah. And either one of those,
it's all recognized for them. So it's personal preference at that point. – [Sara] That was a big
question, cause Robert, if you remember back in
October, the team made a big silver buy, and
that was a big question, when we got the price sheet, we were like, "Why would we pay, if it's
the exact same thing," but that makes sense.

Just a name brand difference. – This is when we couldn't take delivery, we're buying a lot, so we
bought it from Andy Schectman. It was a lot of silver and gold we bought. – [Sara] The last question is, in the beginning of the
conversation we had talked about why you didn't want to
take cash, and you said it's a hassle. Is it also true because cash is devaluing so fast,
it's not really a fair trade. I mean, not fair, but
you know, even trade? Do you feel that way at all? – Well, it's cumbersome. And banks typically
don't want to take cash, and ironically, they don't
want to give cash out either. So we've had situations,
people wanted to go withdraw $100,000 in cash
at the bank, they'll say, "Come back in three or four
days and we'll accumulate it for you, but we don't have it here." I say don't even do that.

Just
wire the money over to us. It's just boom, boom, boom. Simple, we don't have to worry
about any counterfeit cash, although our machines pick it up anyway. It's a cumbersome thing
to do, but I look at the big picture; some point down the road, this cash is going to be worthless. And if the banks don't want
to take it in deposits, I don't want to be stuck
with $2 million or $3 million in cash and lose that. I would rather have money in the bank. Not money, but I mean fake
money in the bank that I can buy real silver and gold with
and have that on the shelf rather than cash sitting there
that is devaluing every day.

– [Sara] Yep. Good. Great. That was it. – Final word, Mr. Goyette. – Hey, thanks for having
us on again, Robert. – And this is your book here. Got to plug the book. – One of one of several. And it's about "Red and
Blue and Broke All Over" and how the country is broke all over and the exact story you've been
trying to explain to people for a very long time, and now here we are. – Another thing we do, Sara, is I send out a newsletter every week, my blog basically, that gives a synopsis of
what's going on the past week and maybe what we're seeing down the road. And just keeping clients and prospects informed of
how we see the market. And whether I'm smart or
not, it doesn't matter, I've been at this 50 years,
I've got a lot of experience and I can share a lot of information that I've acquired over the years.

And I encourage people to go
to our website RMEGold.com, and you can sign up for the newsletter. There's no charge, we email
it out every Sunday afternoon or Monday morning, whenever we
put the finishing touches on. And I would encourage
people to sign up for that at RMEGold.com – And that's why we
invited Charles and Jim, because they are educators like Rich Dad. I buy, I don't sell this stuff. (Robert chuckling) I do trade occasionally. But anyway, so thank
you very much, gentlemen and thank you all for
listening to "The Rich Dad Radio Show," and remember, this is fake and this is real. How much is this today? – That's about $5, so
you were really cheap when you were saying $2 or $3. – Oh my god! I was going to get taken. The salad bar ladies
were going to take me. (all laughing)
– [Sara] That's why he said, "I'll give you $3 for it." – They were trying to cheat
me at Safeway.

My god. – You're behind the times, Robert. You forgot how quick
this dollar is devaluing. – And they're raising
the price of the coleslaw on top of that. (all laughing) So thank you, gentlemen. – [Jim] Thank you.
– [Charles] Thank you. (upbeat music).

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(upbeat tempo) – So welcome back its Robert Kiyosaki with my dear friends' daughter here Alexa. And we're talking about
Millenials and money, and we gone through some lessons. I don't know how many more, but let's continue on
with another lesson here. And so we were talking about you know assets and liabilities, right? – Yes. And when you read Rich Dad Poor Dad I said your house is not an
asset what did you think? – Well, I think that's a conception that many people believe, but as you demonstrated the last seminar that we went to in Argentina. My mom had her properties and she converted them into assets. Correct. – I think it just depends
on what you do with it and it would be great if you could show us how to turn your house into an asset. It's very its really fundamentals. If I could go back I
probably covered it earlier, (marker rattling) but it's a crucial
question and this is what financial education and
financial literacy really is. Again it starts with the financial
statement and I would say probably 95 percent of all
college graduates don't know what a financial statement is.

You took an accounting course right? – Yeah, I did. I know you go through parts of this, but I say to young people like
you there's six basic words to financial literacy
and financial education. And the six words again are income, expense, asset, liability. See I don't really care
about my FICO score a fico score just basically registers are you trustworthy with borrowing money, but a bank will never sel. I borrow in the hundreds
of millions of dollars. (chuckling) A fico score not gonna get me there okay. It's so it's kind of a
ruse I mean I don't its, it's important but not for me. So these are the four
words income, expense, asset, liability.

Then the last two words
are the words cash flow. And that's, why the
game is called cash flow (marker squeaking) and the secret to being rich
is not a college education, but can you control cash flow. And this is what cash flow in looks like. So this here you need this income, expense, asset, liability. (marker squeaking) Again this is you get a job
and this is my poor dad, go to school, get a job, get your PHD. And so this here is cash
flow so income comes in and it goes out this way. First line of expense is tax, but this is a poor
persons cash flow pattern. It's not how much money
you make most people you know they. I don't care if you what you have a Ph.D. or no school at all. They can't control the cash flowing out through their expenses so that's, why people like Susie or men say cut up your credit cards,
live below your means cause you're a spend-a-holic. So that's a poor person. This is a middle-class
persons cash flow patterns and this is where the house comes in.

They, first thing you know most kids do when they get pay raise and all that they buy themselves a bigger house, now my house is an asset. Who tells you that? Your real estate agent of course! – Yeah. (Alexandra giggling) Right cause they they want to give you this false sense of security
while you're getting screwed. – Exactly. Ya know but when you look at
what happens with the house a personal. I mean a personal residence that I live in the money comes in it goes
out and this is middle class, but also goes out through a mortgage.

Mortgage payments, oh but
I don't have a mortgage. You still have taxes you still you know. Hawaii just raised the
property taxes on me. Which is probably why I'm gonna sell. I'm gonna get out of Hawaii, but you have taxes and you have upkeep so monies always flowing out. So that's why your house is
not an asset it's because its taking money from your pocket. So very simply said assets
put money in my pocket, liabilities take money from my pocket. And then this here is, so I'm not saying don't buy a house but here is a house that. And I started when I was
25 bought my first house it was an apartment with
an investment property. I didn't live in it, I rented it out and it put money in my pocket. So very simple the definition
of asset and liability is not the house or this, its cash flow. Where is the cash flowing? So as a young person (Robert coughing) and to all millennials or if you're old financial intelligence is the
ability to control cash flow. And that's what they
don't teach you at school.

They tell you to go to school, get a job. First thing is tax you know, you'll pay most of your money
will go out through taxes, in your lifetime. Then they tell you to buy a house, a car. Cars an asset, no cars a liability. You got insurance, gas,
upkeep, and all this. Now if you buy a, a taxi
car it could be an asset, its cash flow. And that's very simply it, so this is a poor person. Money goes out there's a lot we, we just interviewed some
national football league players who make millions of dollars in their 20s.

And most of them are broke in two years because they can't control cash flow. Intelligence IQ is can
you control cash flow not your college degree. College degrees are important, but they're not gonna teach you this. So the cash flow game, trains you over and over and over again to get your money in here to
get the cash flow this way. So I started with this,
cost me 18,000 dollars. I paid for the credit card and
I put 25 dollars in my pocket okay. It's an infinite return
because the cash flow paid for the mortgage, it paid the
expenses, pays the operating costs and I still made 25 dollars. Kim's first year was the same, hers wasn't 18,000 it was 50,000, 45,000 and it
put 25 dollars in her pocket, but Kim now owns 6,500 rental properties. And she pays no tax because
the income comes from here. – Mm-hmm If you have a job you pay tax, but income the rich get richer because when you have asset income taxes are less. You can get it down to zero if you want.

But that's financial intelligence, but can you control cash flow. Okay, so say that again. Assets what? – Assets put money into your pocket, liabilities take money out of your pocket. And so as a young person
you just focus on that so when you buying a new house, you're gonna say is this
gonna take money or put money? You buy an apartment house
is it gonna take money or put money that's it, its cash flow.

Six most important words for
financial intelligence and IQ is income, expense, asset, liability, but its really cash flow. Now if I could bring up a
more horrible subject is, do you think people can
be assets or liabilities? – I think they could
be both, to be honest. So for most young people
they fall in love, they get married, they have kids. Is a child an asset or liability? – A child is definitely a liability.

I'm not saying don't have kids, but you gotta think the kid is expensive and they don't get cheaper. They get more expensive every year, you know then they go to college and then it gets even more expensive. So a human being now this
sounds horrible to all those socialists and communists out there, but the fact is kids cost money. But as an old guy, I want
you to think about this as I get older as people get older family members become liabilities.

So I have a friend whose
mother thank god she had long term I don't know what they call it, but they just canceled it on her. She can go to a old age home and I think the price is 18,000 a month. Most so that as a young person
as your parents get older the question is can I afford
to spend 20,000 dollars a month on my mom or my dads' long
term healthcare, yes or no? – No, not right now. No so. – No. And this is gonna happen to my generation many people don't realize, but there brothers or
sisters or sisters kids and all this become liabilities to them. So as a person whose fairly well off, I'm and Kim and my
friends are thinking about two legged liabilities.

So I know today that if
my sisters become ill I'm the one with the money
and it's my responsibility to pay for them. Same as my brothers and their kids. So these are things that people
don't think about a lot of times is what happens
not only as they grow up, but what happens as they age. Statistics show the average
person in my generation lets say have a million dollars. 80 percent of that million dollars will be gone the last two years of life. Because medical expenses go
through the roof and today insurance companies are canceling. I forgot the name of it, but my friends' mother
it was just canceled. So he doesn't have 18,000 a month so he had to bring his
mother into his house and you know create
another room and all this. Well, I love her which he
does but shes a big liability and all he had was savings. So the savings are being depleted
going out this way, okay? So with your question
about houses and people, but people are also
assets and liabilities. For most people with our favorite subject, a 401K is it asset or liability? – From what I've learned from you its definitely a liability.

Or an IRA or a pension cause
it's always going out this way. There's no guarantee it'll be there. So this is the basic of
financial intelligence, financial literacy stuff like this. Another thing about people
is you have a bad advisor, like a bad financial planner, or a crook, or a business partner that's a crook, a wife that's a crook and all of that. They can be human liabilities. I have two friends right
now who just joined a million-dollar club. They married beautiful women, got divorced and the women is now costing
a million dollars a year in alimony. So their beautiful wife and the
child support it's a million dollars going and she's only 40 years old.

So she has a whole pile of boyfriends, but it's costing him a
million dollars a year for her boyfriends. I said I wanna be her boyfriend. (both laughing) not really you know. That make sense to you? – Yeah, it makes sense. Financial IQ is can you control cash flow. IQ means how big a problem can you solve so if like my friend whose
mother is now costing him 18,000 dollars a month. Well, thank
God he has about 100,000 in savings but in one year its gone. – Yeah. That's not high IQ, but for myself 18,000 dollars a month I ain't gonna make that much
cash flow pretty easily. – yeah. okay. So when you're like in your 20s per, well how am I going to make.

Let's say by the time
probably a 100,000 a month to take care of my parents, because like it or not its cash flow and they become liabilities. And the problem is getting worse
or because the bond markets are not providing income. So many insurance companies
have to renege on their promises to provide the cash flow to
take care of our loved ones the same as medical. – Wow. And so that's why when people
say I'm gonna go out on my own and do all these things they're
kinda doing what they love. Which is good, but they've
really gotta think about how many liabilities do they have. It's not just your rent you know, it's your family and so for me (marker tapping) and for Kim. We have family members, but they're liabilities so
that's why we stay over here. Hopefully, nothing will go wrong, but if one of my sisters got ill and she needs 100,000 a month
at least can provide it. – Yeah. otherwise she they go they go indigent whatever they call it kay. – Yeah. Any other comments or questions? – No thank you for sharing so much about this content and all this information.

That's gonna be super
valuable for all my friends and all the Millenials
out there just like me. So I have two friends that
are in the million-dollar a year club, it doesn't mean
they're making a million dollars it's their wives
are taking a million dollars a year out of their pockets
and their kids and all this. And I go you should of thought
about that 20 years ago. – Yeah. But you don't cause your in
love and you're gonna have kids and gonna make it together. – mm-hmm. But your parents offer great role models. So once again the six
words you have to know and be masters at income, expense, asset, liability, cash flow. You can control cash flow
that's financial intelligence, financial IQ and financial literacy, okay? – Okay.

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