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Our $3.7 Million Fat FIRE Strategy | New Investment Strategy to Retire Early by 45

In september 2021, i published a video about our fat fire strategy in the amount of 2 8 million dollars and that video is still by far the best performing video, and it was like the 15th video i’ve ever made for this channel with less than 150 subscribers, our fat fire strategy, became the core of my youtube channel here at fireside chat and that video had a complete breakdown of our fire expenses like housing, health care and discretionary like travel, entertainment and fine dining. A lot has changed since that video was published in september 2021. We’re seeing a high inflation rate, like we’ve, never seen before, unless you’re a baby boomer who experienced high inflation in the 70s, the stock market, like the s p 500. Dow and nasdaq is down 20 25 or even 30 since the beginning of 2022. I also had a significant life event and i recently got married to my beautiful wife, whom i dated for over four years, and we’re still fine tuning our fat fire strategy to make sure that we can retire early together for uh by age 45. After doing several fat fire calculations based on our income, expenses, inflation and investment, we’re going to have to change our fat fire number from 2 8 million dollars to about 3 7 million dollars, and this is the most conservative conservative fat fire number. We came up with and we would also like to live in several locations and not just stay in one place during our retirement, which will increase our baseline expenses. If you’re brand new to my channel, my name is sai and welcome. So in this video. I’m gon na go over how we’re investing to achieve fat fire of 3 7 million dollars and how we’re, prioritizing our savings and investment based on our future expenses, so we can retire early from the 95 workforce. This is a juicy video and i hope you get a lot out of it. Also don’t forget to check out my grammarly affiliate link in the description below so the first thing we had to figure out was our fat fire number. Now we have several fire strategies like lean fire, which is for people who want to live a minimalistic lifestyle coast fire, which is for people who want to coast into normal retirement and barista fire, which is for people who want to take a part time job to Pay for health care expenses, while using their nest, eggs to pay for their retirement lifestyle, be sure to check out those videos, and i will put those links in the description below but fat. Fire is the lifestyle we want where we can truly enjoy our lives by traveling, the world and living in several locations. We don’t know what those countries are just yet, but we plan to travel overseas at least once or twice a year to do some research. So the first thing we have to do was to figure out our annual expenses. Originally, we would have been happy with just 100 000 a year in passive income using the 4 withdrawal rate. So what that means is that, with a 2 5 million dollar investment portfolio, we would withdraw 4 of that portfolio every year in the amount of one hundred thousand dollars. We would also have uh three hundred thousand dollars or ten percent of our total portfolio in cash or cds on the sideline. In case we experience a bear market, like we’re, seeing now in 2022, so we wouldn’t have to sell our stocks at a loss from our investment portfolio. Our baseline expenses will increase based on inflation, but that doesn’t mean every single expense. In our household is going to dramatically increase our mortgage payments, for example, will remain the same because they would be at a 30 year fixed mortgage rate, and another possibility is that we pay off our home completely if the mortgage rate stays above six percent for the Next 10 years, which would suck, in my opinion and, however, paying six six percent interest for our primary residence, wouldn’t be worth it anymore. If the stock market performs seven percent on average annually, even if the market performs 10 annually, the margin isn’t wide enough for us to justify to keep making mortgage payments. Then let me know in the comment section down below if you have a different, take or different approach on our strategy, i would estimate our baseline expenses between housing utilities, transportation, groceries and healthcare expenses to be anywhere around 50 and 75 000 a year based on a Three percent annual inflation rate and the only wild card we have is healthcare, and i can only imagine our healthcare expenses to continue to increase over the coming years and especially if we decide to retire in the us. We’re also going to have several properties in different states or different countries, and that will increase our basic housing expenses with our fat fire number at 3, 7 million dollars, the 4 withdrawal rate will be 148 000 a year. The 3 withdrawal rate will be around 111 000 a year if we end up not spending too much money due to a bear market or other short term catalysts. After the baseline expenses, we could spend anywhere between 36 and 61 000 a year on travel and entertainment. Keep in mind that we’re going to recalculate our fire number every year, based on our future expenses and inflation, make sure to watch the entire video, and i will show you our passive income sources and the investment strategy by the way. If you need help creating your own fire strategy, you can schedule a free one on one 20 minute financial coaching session by visiting fischer com, coaching for our fat fire strategy. We’re going to prioritize our savings and investments in this order. Cash for annual expenses like taxes – and we want to have at least 10 to 15 percent of our net worth in liquid assets. So if our net worth is a million dollars, then we want to have at least one hundred thousand dollars in cash or cash equivalent assets. The second priority is our retirement accounts like tsp pensions, iras and hsas, and i will talk more about that in a little bit. The third priority is our non retirement assets like the taxable brokerage accounts for our early retirement between the ages of 45 and 60. The fourth priority is our travel fund, entertainment and our daughter’s college fund. I also have a fire checklist that we follow and you can download for free by visiting fightcech com contact. We have our emergency fund in a completely separate savings, account that we do not touch unless it’s for emergency medical expenses or anything else that’s unexpected. Our rule is that we only use it if it’s an unexpected emergency, and i strongly encourage you to check out this video i made about the emergency fund and i will link that video in the description below just keep in mind that the differences between A rainy day fund and an emergency fund is that in a rainy day fund you need to cash right away for a blown tire, and an emergency fund is to cover your living expenses. While you’re looking for a new source of income and since we’re debt free and we have a fully funded emergency fund, we maxed out our tsp iras and hsas between my wife and i we contribute up to 50 000 a year, including our Employer matches and she has the nevada state pension fund, which is a lot different than the traditional retirement accounts like 401k or tsp. She contributes 15 of her income and her employer makes a 100 match to her personal contribution, and i can contribute up to 20 500 and another eight hundred dollars from my employer match to be exact. We contribute a total of forty, nine thousand six hundred and thirty one dollars, and we expect the contribution limits to increase over the years. We also prioritize our roth iras and since we exceed our roth ira income limits, we have to do what’s called a backdoor roth ira, and i will link that video in the description below we each contribute six thousand dollars to our traditional iras as non Deductible contributions and then we convert the six thousand dollars to our roth iras. That’s a total of twelve thousand dollars between the two of us and just keep in mind that the rules for roth iras are different like contributions, conversions and earnings. And i strongly encourage you to watch the video about the five year conversion ladder, so you have a better understanding of the roth ira conversion rules. We don’t plan to touch our roth iras until we’re in our 60s or 70s, because we want our roth ira race to grow tax free as much as possible and as long as possible. We expect to have about four million dollars total in our roth ira race. By the time we turn 60 Hsa is another investment account that we own through our employers, and i understand that not everyone is eligible to contribute to the hsa, especially if you have tricare hsa stands for health savings account and it’s completely different from the Healthcare fsa, which stands for flexible savings account and the hsa comes with triple tax advantages, so we can contribute to it in pre tax dollars, which lowers our taxable income. We can invest what we put in the hsa into an index fund like the s p, 500 index fund and the interest and earnings will grow tax free. We can also withdraw from our hsa tax free as long as as we use it for medical expenses and we keep every receipt from medical, dental and vision expenses we paid in cash, so we can get reimbursed for those expenses during our early retirement. When we turn 65, we can withdraw from our hsa for non medical expenses and only pay federal income taxes for the withdrawals. Since we file our taxes jointly, we contribute up to 7 300 a year for our family hsa. If we don’t make any withdrawals during our early retirement, we should have about two hundred and fifty thousand dollars by the time we turn 50 years old by age 65. We should have 1 2 million dollars in our hsa, with a 10 average annual rate of return between tsp state pension funds, uh roth iras and hsas. We’re contributing a total of 68 931 dollars just for the year 2022 and we’re expecting the contribution limits to increase, at least for the next few years, due to high inflation hsa’s contribution limits for 2023 is already increased from seventy. Three hundred dollars to seventy seven hundred dollars. I expect the contribution limits for iras to increase from six thousand dollars to possibly seven thousand dollars and 401k or tsp from 20 500 to possibly 21 500. We also contribute to our non retirement. Investment accounts, like the taxable brokerage accounts. We have one brokerage account that only invests in aggressive and high growth stocks. We have another brokerage account that only invests in income based stocks that pay quarterly dividends to their shareholders. We’re hoping to consistently invest 50 000. A year into these taxable brokerage accounts so that by the time we retire early in 2032, we would have at least one million dollars in our dividend: stock portfolio and another million dollars in our growth stock portfolio. If we maintain a four percent annual dividend yield in one of those accounts, we should make forty thousand dollars a year just in dividend income and keep in mind that the tax rate for dividends is also different from the federal income tax. We expect to have minimal earned income, and that puts us in that zero percent capital gains tax category based on my calculation, and if we make less than eighty four thousand dollars a year in earned income, our dividend tax rate should remain zero percent. As long as congress, doesn’t mess up mess up our tax rates, our goal is to minimize our taxes as much as possible during our early retirement. So now let’s go back to my fire checklist for a minute and we’re already saving over 60 of our income towards our retirement and non retirement accounts and whatever we have remaining usually goes to our travel and entertainment fund. And we call that our sinking funds – we’re, currently saving anywhere between 10 and 15 000 a year into our travel fund, and if we decide to travel more or our income continues to increase, then we’ll bump it up to our uh, maybe 20, To 30 000 a year, we’re also contributing to our daughter,’s. 529. It it’s projected to cover a significant amount of expenses for college tuitions. We’re not too worried about her college tuition because i already transferred my post 911 gi bill over to her and several years ago, and even if my daughter ends up not using the 529 college fund, i can change the beneficiary to my future grandkids or Even to myself, if i want to by the way you can get our free fire resources, including these spreadsheets, by visiting fischer com contact, you can also check out the fight such as shop, and i have all of my stuff on my bookshelf. At firesidechat com shopping. Now let’s talk about our income sources during our early retirement, if 2022 taught us anything and that is to diversify our income sources, so we don’t have all of our money in the stock market with 3 7 million dollars our net worth should Be anywhere between six and nine million dollars, one of our main sources of income is our dividend, and i’m gon na be very conservative here and say we’ll make anywhere between 40 and 50 000 a year in dividend income just from our taxable Brokerage account at the same time, we’re going to convert what we have in our traditional retirement accounts to our roth iras and that will trigger a taxable event right. However, since our earned income is zero because we will be retired, every 50 000 we convert from our traditional retirement accounts will be taxed at 12, as opposed to 32 percent based on our current income. So for every conversion we make from a traditional to a roth account there’s a five year waiting period before uh before we can withdraw that conversion, completely tax free from our roth ira. So what we’ll need to do is have extra cash to cover expenses during the first five years of conversion to keep our taxes at the lowest rate possible. So when we convert fifty thousand dollars in the year 2032, we will have to wait until january. First, 1st 2037 to make the 50 000 withdrawal completely tax, free and penalty free. We just need to make sure that we have enough cash or other income sources to cover between 2032 and 2037. This is a common fire strategy that early retirees use. So i strongly encourage you to check out this video about the 5 year conversion ladder. We prioritize our retirement accounts over our non retirement accounts because our retirement accounts, like the tsp pension fund, iras and hsas, are like a full back plan. If we decide not to retire early and we want to grow our tax advantage, retirement accounts as much as possible, so we can retire comfortably when we turn 60 years old, completely. Tax free and our primary focus is building our stock market and real estate portfolios. To make sure the money can last during our early retirement between the ages of 45 and 60, consistency and patience are the keys to our financial success. We’ll always invest up to the maximum contribution limits to our tsp ira and hsa and will save at least half of our income to both retirement and non retirement accounts. Whenever we experience a bear market like in 2022, we’re excited to invest in these stocks with a discount and it’s like going to a black friday sale at best buy and what’s different about this bear market is that we’re Dealing with high inflation as well, we increased our fire number because the prices we’re seeing now should be the prices we see five years from now, and i think a lot of these expenses are already priced in and we’re not going to see Much of a decline in the future, but instead there will be a slowdown in the inflation rate in 2023 and possibly into 2024. This is why budgeting is so important for everyone who is pursuing financial independence and retiring early from the 9 to 5 workforce, and if you want to know more about how to invest for your future, be sure to check out these two videos so that’s It i appreciate you watching my video don’t forget to subscribe and i hope to see you in the next video have a good one Music. You

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The simplest retirement plan ever.

there are a lot of complex strategies out there when it comes to withdrawing your money in retirement we've already gone over some of them such as the Guyton clinger rule but not all strategies have to be that complicated to work well sometimes the simplest strategy is the most brilliant of all and today that's what we're gonna talk about we're gonna be talking about two of the simplest retirement spending strategies out there we're gonna discuss their pros and cons as well as who should be using them let's get started but before we get going be sure to LIKE this video if you haven't already as it really does help out the channel a lot and subscribe with notifications on for more money related videos like this one every single week so the strategies that we're gonna be covering today are very similar to one another in that they are both known as fixed withdrawal strategies they are the fixed dollar withdrawal strategy and the fixed percentage withdrawal strategy let's start with the simpler of the two the fixed dollar withdrawal strategy the fixed dollar withdrawal strategy is exactly what it sounds like you begin by withdrawing a certain dollar amount from your nest egg every single month and keep that amount constant throughout your entire retirement it literally doesn't get any simpler than that say if John were living on this strategy in retirement he has a 1 million dollar nest egg and wants to be able to live on $40,000 a year he withdraws $40,000 in that first year of retirement does the same thing in the second and so on and so forth in other words there are no adjustments for inflation using this method to analyze this strategy let's look at the four factors of retirement which for those who are new to this channel our income risk stability and buying power income measures how much money is coming in the door each month as well as when that money is coming in its measured this way because not all retirement spending strategies are systematic and linear with their income growth and none of us know how long we're gonna be in retirement so we tend to put more of a priority in having abnormally high income years in the earliest portion of our retirements since we don't know if we'll ever get to the later portions risk is the likelihood of outliving your money stability is graded by how often you experienced anything that would be considered an undesirable change in your income from one year to another this could come in the form of a freeze on the growth of your income or just a decline in your income from near to the next and buying power is defined like it always is it's a measure of how much your money can actually get you at any given time and is largely tied to inflation the fixed dollar strategy is generally considered to be a little stronger on income and risk in comparison to other popular strategies like the 4% rule but it does suffer in terms of stability and buying power the reason for this is simple as long as your initial withdrawals aren't too high you're relatively unlikely to outlive your money using this strategy and you may actually be able to live at a higher standard of living at least initially than you would have in other similar strategies like the 4% rule in fact going all the way back to 1950 if John had had that one million dollar nest egg invested in something like the S&P 500 he would not actually outlive his money during any 20 30 40 or 50 year retirement as long as he would true no more than fifty four thousand dollars a year or forty five hundred a month so even things like the housing crisis in dot-com crash didn't cause him to run out of money so this does grant John a higher standard of living initially than the 4% rule would have because of course with a 1 million dollar nest egg the 4% rule would only allow him to draw $40,000 a year to live on though eventually like I said the inflation effect would catch up with him using the fixed dollar approach and that's where this strategy does tend to fall short it's not meant for longer retirements because while John may be able to handle living on $54,000 a year particularly if he's retiring debt free with a paid off home it becomes increasingly difficult to do that as the years go on due to the inflation effect historically speaking inflation has averaged somewhere between 2 and 3% per year in the United States if we assume that our personal average inflation rate in retirement is nearer the top of that scale well at 3 percent per year then John's $54,000 a year income will get him the equivalent of what $40,000 would buy him today in just 10 years time in 20 years his money would only be able to buy him about what twenty nine thousand nine hundred dollars would buy him today and his money would be worth the equivalent of twenty two thousand two hundred and fifty dollars sixteen thousand five hundred and fifty dollars and twelve thousand three dollars a year in 30 40 and 50 years respectively just because of the effect of inflation so just for a minute let's imagine that John had decided to follow the financially independent retire early movement but instead of using the 4% rule which helps to protect your buying power over longer term retirements like those in the fire community are aiming for John decides to use the fixed dollar withdrawal method assuming everything else stayed the same John would retire at the age of 30 with a $54,000 a year income and a 1 million dollar nest egg again at the age of 30 that would be perfectly fine for him however the average life expectancy for people living in the u.s.

Is about 79 years old as of 2019 and it's possible that that number will continue to grow as technology and medicine continues to advance so assuming he doesn't die young it isn't out of the question that he would have a near 50-year retirement and be living on the equivalent of about $1,000 a month when he's aging and his medical costs are at their highest as you can imagine that wouldn't be an ideal situation for John and that's why this strategy generally isn't the best idea for longer term retirements but for the right person in terms of the four factors of retirement the fixed dollar strategy is above average and income and risk but below average instability and buying power in comparison to the 4% rule the fixed percentage method works very similarly to the fixed dollar method except that you're withdrawing a certain percentage of your nest egg every year as opposed to a certain dollar value this strategy also doesn't adjust for inflation but it does at least adjust with the value of your portfolio and depending on what you're invested in and what initial percentages you choose this method may work out all right say John just wanted to withdraw a 4% of his investments each year in retirement since the value of his investments were $1,000,000 when he retired he would withdraw $40,000 in his first year that would leave him with nine hundred and sixty thousand dollars left over if his investments went up by 10 percent that year the value of his portfolio would be somewhere in the neighborhood of a million and fifty six thousand dollars at the start of his second year of retirement since he's withdrawing four percent of that he would live on forty two thousand two hundred and forty dollars in that second year assuming inflation was three percent during that first year of his retirement his buying power would have actually gone up if he had merely adjusted his withdrawals for inflation like he would have if he were using the actual 4% rule he would have withdrawn 40 1200 dollars in his second year or about a thousand and $40 less than he did using the fixed percentage withdrawal method in this scenario the downside that I'm sure a lot of you already see is that the reverse can also happen say that the following year john's investments fell by 20% bringing the value of his nest egg down to about eight hundred and eleven thousand dollars and forcing him to withdraw thirty two thousand four hundred and forty dollars in the third year of his retirement that would be significantly less than the forty two thousand four hundred dollars that John would have withdrew in that third year using the actual four percent rule so as you can see depending on the situation stability is something that this strategy could have a very low score in given that the value of a nest egg especially if it's invested in something like stocks can grow or shrink by 20 30 or even 40 percent from one year to the next the bright side of course is that you have a very low risk of running out of money theoretically it's actually zero if you're able to follow this strategy to a tee and I specifically say theoretically because like many things it's only gonna be true up to a certain point if we take it to a logical extreme we can break this down say if John had $10,000 in his nest egg and he wanted to live on fifty percent of that nest egg for the next five years in theory he'd be fine and he'd never run out of money because he'd always be withdrawing fifty percent of whatever that nest egg is but how many of us are gonna be able to live on five thousand dollars a year that would be what he'd be withdrawing that first year and of course it would be even less the second year if his investments stayed flat his second years withdrawals would be half of five thousand dollars or twenty five hundred dollars and I don't know many people that are living on two hundred dollars a month but the point is if you're willing to take the hit to the stability of your income in retirement you can usually safely squeeze out a little more than four percent of your nest egg each year in a typical retirement using this strategy you just have to be prepared to see the average raw dollar income that you receive shrink as you go further into your retirement to illustrate this let's say that John withdrew 10% of his nest egg each year assuming he had that one million-dollar nest egg he would start out with a six-figure income however if he ended up living longer than he planned on he could eventually find himself living on what would only be generously described as a shoestring budget for example in the simulations I ran covering the various retirement lengths starting from 1950 onward assuming John had invested in the S&P 500 he would have had a median monthly income of about $6,500 a month in 20 and 30 year retirements which when adjusting for inflation would be about $3,600 a month in 20 years scenarios and twenty seven hundred dollars a month in thirty-year scenarios but that number did shrink a lot as the retirements got longer for example in 50 year retirements his average median monthly income was about forty four hundred dollars which again doesn't sound bad but when we look at the final few years worth of his monthly withdrawals we find that it's actually about $2,300 a month on average which is considerably less than the six-figure income he started with and of course that $2,300 a month was what he was actually withdrawing almost 50 years from now once we adjust for inflation over that time it may not even buy John what $1,000 a month would buy him today so similar to the fixed dollar withdrawals your buying power could be taking a significant hit if the initial percentages you set in this strategy are too high in summation the fixed percentage method scores reasonably well though not elite when it comes to income particularly when used in early retirements it does great in terms of risk again assuming you're not too aggressive with your initial percentages but is questionable with stability and below average in terms of buying power so in the end who should use these strategies now I'll admit I am personally biased here I believe there's very few people who should realistically be using these strategies as their primary method it's mainly limited to those with very short expected retirements so that their buying power doesn't become too damaged over time and even then ideally only by those who are also approaching that same retirement with little to no debt because especially with the fixed percentage method you'll often need to be pretty flexible with your spending from your year but for those who aren't retiring early and will have no more than nine or ten years that they expect to be retired they have little debt to speak of and want something very simple to follow when figuring out how much of their money they should withdraw each year one of these strategies could work out well it gives you some advantages in terms of income without significant increases in risk but what are your thoughts do you agree with my assessment of the strategy or do you think that I'm missing something do you think another strategy would work better for people in that situation let me know in the comments section below but that'll do it for me today once again if you haven't already be sure to LIKE the video as it really helps the channel a lot and if you want to learn more about various retirement planning strategies be sure to check the links on the screen for my videos on how to safely spend money in retirement as well as protect your nest egg and as always thanks for watching

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